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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir

      I probably can't explain that on Twitter. Particularly as people go one way or another on whether it includes a load of cognitive, psychological and behavioural stuff which is biological.

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    2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I have never seen anyone explain what a ‘gender’ is. Everyone ducks out.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir

      Lots of people do with the extremes being radfems who say its a cultural construct to oppress women & we're identical psychologically really and essentialists saying its exactly the same as sex meaning that there are men's roles and women's roles.

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    4.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

      No, we understand male & female innate characteristics overlap psychologically. We understand outliers. But we believe it’s proof that society’s *constructed* notion of gender is too limited to accept fem men & masc women. Possibly this a factor in gender dysphoria?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @cholllers @lecanardnoir

      This is by no means universal and people frequently argue to me that it's all a cultural construct. You can try telling trans women they're feminine men but they probably won't agree with you and you'll be unlikely to socialise them into thinking so.

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    6.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

      People who truly believe they’re the wrong sex tend to be transsexual, but there’s a growing number of people who are comfortable with their genitalia or believe they’re “non binary.” Are these ppl experiencing the same condition at different levels, or completely dif conditions?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @cholllers @lecanardnoir

      I have no idea. So much of the science shows trans people not to have divergences from the norm that completely matches the opposite sex. Its just closer to it than the sex indicated by their gonads. Non-binary might actually be more accurate. But this is speculation.

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    8.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

      I’ve yet to see a fleshed out definition of “non binary”, you can understand how this looks like playing with “identities.” It appears the these identities are considered above sexual orientation too. Does this look ideological to you? It seems postmodern in nature to me.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @cholllers @lecanardnoir

      It certainly can be. I see a lot of ideology around it that is postmodern in nature. This can't change the reality of significant differences found in trans people's biology tho. We know ideologues exist who claim trans identity too.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cholllers @lecanardnoir

      One of the best pieces of evidence for that, a geneticist recently told me is that there were always twice as many MtF trans ppl & this seemed in keeping with higher male variability generally. Now there are twice as many girls claiming to be trans & that doesn't make sense.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @cholllers @lecanardnoir

      Unless you accept that a lot of what is happening right now is rooted in gender ideology. All the more reason to keep watching the science and hoping to understand this better to avoid misdiagnosis.

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        2.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          I suspect we’re still a long way from definitive science. As you said it’s clear the “trans movement” is being influenced by ideologues, so self ID would be reckless, esp in a country of 65mil. I understand you may support self ID in principle, but do you support it practice?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @cholllers @lecanardnoir

          I said this about it:https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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        4.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          Ps: I really don’t like the idea we’re “extreme”, the trans movement is a very well funded juggernaut with real ideologues, opposition isn’t extreme, imho.

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        5.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
          Replying to @cholllers @HPluckrose

          Do you have any peer reviewed “hard” trans science? I live with a science editor & I’d like to run through it. I worry “radfems” could be easily labelled “anti-science” b/c often factual findings sound fictional, but I also suspect it’s been co-opted by ideology. Many thanks x

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @cholllers

          I haven't researched it since I write the article and I've seen quite a lot crop up since then but not gone through it. Should be easy to find tho. @GiovannaLiviana also keeps up with it, I think?

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        7.  🇬🇧Charley‏ @cholllers Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

          Ta x

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