Trans people can't and #WontBeErased by attempts to define them out of existence. Presidents, however, can have that label removed. You'll need to vote, reasonable & compassionate Americans.
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Andy, are you sure you aren't doubling down a little too hard here? Having known you through skeptical stuff for years and Helen's views widely disseminated and dissected the last few weeks.
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I know, I am surprised I am here too right now. The disputable concepts of gender appear to come through various fashionable nonsense ideologies of the various pomo-style theories. So, I am just fascinated as to where this might lead?
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We've always done this in one way or another. If "He is a feminine man" makes sense to you, you too instinctively see gender as something different to biological organs. It's annoying to discuss and attempt to define sharply tho so I tend not to get into it.
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And no I do not use the term gender apart from discussion here, because I have not confidence any listener will share the same conceptual understanding as me. If a shit-show of a word. Any use of the word gender I use, I can replace with a ‘sex’ alternative. e.g.
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This looks like turning into one of those discussions of definitions which does very little to engage with the reality of what is going on with gender identities different from biological sex and which is not yet well understood. We can't define the reality away.
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I am afraid if we cannot agree on definitions then no meaningful communication can take place between us. We will just be speaking gobbledegook at each other. A shame, but it is late here, so goodnight.
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I think we just have to go with what we can agree on. What there is evidence for. Much talking past each other comes from thinking the other person is defining things the same way as you. Hence calling people delusional. I agree it would be nice to have clear boundaries tho.
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Eg "You're delusional if you think men can be women" usually means "You're delusional if you think people born with penises can be people born with vaginas" but the other person didn't mean that at all so isn't delusional but defining things differently.
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One of the problems I have reading such things is understanding what people mean by the central terms they use. I think we might agree what a ‘sex’ is. But hat is a ‘gender’?
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I probably can't explain that on Twitter. Particularly as people go one way or another on whether it includes a load of cognitive, psychological and behavioural stuff which is biological.
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I have never seen anyone explain what a ‘gender’ is. Everyone ducks out.
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Lots of people do with the extremes being radfems who say its a cultural construct to oppress women & we're identical psychologically really and essentialists saying its exactly the same as sex meaning that there are men's roles and women's roles.
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But it is a quite annoying and ambiguous term generally meant to describe the psychological, cognitive & behavioural bits as well as social stuff. Anything that isnt organs, essentially. Its not going anywhere tho. We've always recognised more than organs make us different.
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Men and women differ psychologically *ON AVERAGE*. Both sexes have a huge variety of personalities, preferences and modes of expression. It is *only* female biology that links all females together and it is *only* male biology that links all males together.
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Absolutely this. And as soon as you (for some reason) abandon this, the very concepts of sex, male, female etc become incoherent and impossible to objectively define. Why some take is path into erasure of sex and sexuality is boggling and I struggle to understand.
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It doesn’t mean that being transgender isn’t a valid thing, of course some people are trans and identity as the opposite sex they were born. But there has to be a solid definition of sex for there to be any coherence and peace!
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I’m sorry, are you suggesting there are “lady brains”? What does having a lady brain involve? Liking pink and sparkles?
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You are reducing men and women to some metaphysical feelings that 99+% of people don't have. It's not rational. Men and women are more than self-perception.
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