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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22

      Trans people can't and #WontBeErased by attempts to define them out of existence. Presidents, however, can have that label removed. You'll need to vote, reasonable & compassionate Americans.

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    2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I understand the US government is going about defining man and woman based on a framework of biological sex. What alternatives should be used to not ‘erase' trans people that are coherent, material, objective and useful in law?

      4 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir

      I'm not even sure what that question means. There's seldom a need to define the sex of someone in law and when there is, it usually comes down to some biological difference which can be accounted for in law.

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        2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          In the UK, sex is a protected characteristic that enables women, for example, to exclude men from certain protected spaced (prisons, rape crisis centres etc). Such protections require a defintion of what a man and a woman is. This is quite fundamental, no?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @lecanardnoir

          No, they don't. One can recognise the reality that trans people exist and that, in some areas, like sport and prisons, their rights and inclusion need to be considered in a class of their own. We wrote this about it.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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        4. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Of course trans people exist, but I suspect their many experiences, motives and presentations do not enable a unified, useful defintion. On the other hand, you appear to not want to recognise the objective, material existence of women? I hope I am wrong.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @lecanardnoir

          I sent you an essay. I recognise the objective material reality that biological sex is bimodal in teams of reproductive systems, yes, but also that gender comes from a variety of other biological aspects like brains, hormones, genetics etc.

          3 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
        6. David Smith‏ @theedwardian81 Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          Andy, are you sure you aren't doubling down a little too hard here? Having known you through skeptical stuff for years and Helen's views widely disseminated and dissected the last few weeks.

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        7. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
          Replying to @theedwardian81 @HPluckrose

          I know, I am surprised I am here too right now. The disputable concepts of gender appear to come through various fashionable nonsense ideologies of the various pomo-style theories. So, I am just fascinated as to where this might lead?

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

          We've always done this in one way or another. If "He is a feminine man" makes sense to you, you too instinctively see gender as something different to biological organs. It's annoying to discuss and attempt to define sharply tho so I tend not to get into it.

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        9. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

          And no I do not use the term gender apart from discussion here, because I have not confidence any listener will share the same conceptual understanding as me. If a shit-show of a word. Any use of the word gender I use, I can replace with a ‘sex’ alternative. e.g.

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        2. Julia smith‏ @Juliabsmith Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          Seldom a need? Think it comes up quite a lot actually, particularly rape ,sex discrimination cases and probably family courts as well. Also the small matter of women not wanting to share the word women with men...

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @Juliabsmith @lecanardnoir

          https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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        1. OneHandClapping‏ @1H4ND Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          You can’t simultaneously argue that a legal definition is both unimportant & erasing people from existence. At least, you can’t do so & expect to be taken seriously.

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        1. Lez Get The L Out‏ @OVAndOut Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          Do you believe someone can be the other sex solely by self-declaring that they are? That's reality at present.

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        1. CorrienteCanta‏ @corrientecanta Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          Helen, do you realize that this announcement is about Title IX, the US law adopted in 1972 to try to reverse the long, very long history of discrimination against women and girls in educational programs, including school sport?

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        1. Dilan  🇺🇸 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 ❌‏ @beethovenjams Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

          Criminal Forensics. Medicolegal investigation of death. Perpetrator and victim profiling. Many uses in law and medicine. I don’t think this is going to define trans out of existence. It’s simpler for categorizing from birth. A good solid definition.

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