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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22

    Trans people can't and #WontBeErased by attempts to define them out of existence. Presidents, however, can have that label removed. You'll need to vote, reasonable & compassionate Americans.

    2:38 PM - 22 Oct 2018
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      2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I understand the US government is going about defining man and woman based on a framework of biological sex. What alternatives should be used to not ‘erase' trans people that are coherent, material, objective and useful in law?

        4 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
        Replying to @lecanardnoir

        I'm not even sure what that question means. There's seldom a need to define the sex of someone in law and when there is, it usually comes down to some biological difference which can be accounted for in law.

        6 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      4. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In the UK, sex is a protected characteristic that enables women, for example, to exclude men from certain protected spaced (prisons, rape crisis centres etc). Such protections require a defintion of what a man and a woman is. This is quite fundamental, no?

        1 reply 0 retweets 22 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
        Replying to @lecanardnoir

        No, they don't. One can recognise the reality that trans people exist and that, in some areas, like sport and prisons, their rights and inclusion need to be considered in a class of their own. We wrote this about it.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

        3 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
      6. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Of course trans people exist, but I suspect their many experiences, motives and presentations do not enable a unified, useful defintion. On the other hand, you appear to not want to recognise the objective, material existence of women? I hope I am wrong.

        2 replies 0 retweets 22 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
        Replying to @lecanardnoir

        I sent you an essay. I recognise the objective material reality that biological sex is bimodal in teams of reproductive systems, yes, but also that gender comes from a variety of other biological aspects like brains, hormones, genetics etc.

        3 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
      8. David Smith‏ @theedwardian81 Oct 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

        Andy, are you sure you aren't doubling down a little too hard here? Having known you through skeptical stuff for years and Helen's views widely disseminated and dissected the last few weeks.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
        Replying to @theedwardian81 @HPluckrose

        I know, I am surprised I am here too right now. The disputable concepts of gender appear to come through various fashionable nonsense ideologies of the various pomo-style theories. So, I am just fascinated as to where this might lead?

        2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
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      2. Lez Get The L Out‏ @OVAndOut Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Wait this makes no sense - you realise us lesbians are being told it's nice and normal to sleep with men with dicks so long as they 'identify as woman'?? Postmodernism is resulting in some next level homophobia. I thought you werepaying attention to this stuff!

        2 replies 3 retweets 12 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @OVAndOut

        This is another weird tangent. I am not doing this all day. Responding to people who reply to my tweet with a major very basic speaking point which does not relate or contradict my tweet.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Lez Get The L Out‏ @OVAndOut Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Fair enough, you don't have to do this all day. I am simply pointing out that many of us who've admired you being willing to critique what's going on in the academy are pretty confused that you'd be backing gender ideology.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @OVAndOut

        I think you leap to a conclusion that is not warranted.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Lez Get The L Out‏ @OVAndOut Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This is a bizarre claim because there is no strong neuroscience on this at all: "The strongest such evidence is found in the brain, where trans people are found to have brains anatomically more similar to the gender to which they identify." Do you have a reference?

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @OVAndOut

        They're all linked yes and many are updated by now.

        3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Lez Get The L Out‏ @OVAndOut Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        None of these brain studies actually support your point though? They simply show that males who identify as transsexual and vice versa for female (not all controlling for homosexuality) have patterns *away* from birth sex

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Senorworldwide‏ @senorglobal Oct 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Saying someone is born with one of two genital options isn't erasing ANYTHING. It's just a fact. Allowing a man to go into a woman's restroom, domestic shelter or prison etc because he wears a dress - defending that isn't heroic. It's not even wise.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
        Replying to @senorglobal

        Sure. No-one has a problem with saying that. The word trans acknowledges that. See article.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Reigning in Hell‏ @Themosthuman Oct 22
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Obamas redefinition of sex as gender was an overreach of executive power. Laws are made by congress.pic.twitter.com/gsuSxUYl85

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Nespresso‏ @Nespresso821 Oct 22
        Replying to @Themosthuman @HPluckrose

        Exactly - laws are made by Congress. Obama's over-reach was already slapped down by a federal court in any case. Trump is right - the reference in the law to gender/sex means biological sex not something in someone's mind.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Astrid‏ @DrinkingGinNow Oct 22
        Replying to @hmsromano @HPluckrose

        It’s been blown completely out of proportion hasn’t it, anyone who looks into what it’s actually saying can see that it’s not about erasing people’s right to identify how they want.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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