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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 21

    I am so fed up with the argument "Don't address problems on the left coz it feeds the right." It isn't enough to point out the problems on the other side & call people names for voting for them. Isn't this clear yet? To get elected, the left needs to be credible & respectworthy.

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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 21

        It's just terrible psychology to think that acknowledging and addressing problems within your own side makes it appear less credible to the waverers who could be persuaded to vote for it. That's what makes it credible.

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      2. 100 million‏ @100million5 Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Watch this most of the left. The people who accosted Pelosi were wrong. I oppose their actions. Just like that I am better than you. And all the voters you should try to court see what you really are.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 21
        Replying to @100million5

        I don't know what this means.

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      4. 100 million‏ @100million5 Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I can easily condemn bad actors on the right. While most voices on the left won't do likewise. They tone police about the word mobs or play whataboutism. The average voter doesn't want mobs accosting people they disagree with. So this will hurt the left.

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      2. PostSatire ☭‏ @PostSatire Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Well, yeah, obviously, but I'm not sure how happy I'd be about consciously throwing chum out the back of the social studies boat for the right-wing sharks.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 21
        Replying to @PostSatire

        What does that mean in non-metaphorical terms?

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      4. Brian Garst‏ @BrianGarst Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose @PostSatire

        That you have principles and apply them consistently.

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      5. 100 million‏ @100million5 Oct 21
        Replying to @BrianGarst @HPluckrose @PostSatire

        Like not supporting gulags is right wing chum.

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      6. PostSatire ☭‏ @PostSatire Oct 21
        Replying to @100million5 @BrianGarst @HPluckrose

        What?

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      2. P. Corrie‏ @Corrie_Mooney Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        More importantly, the problems on the left (Identity Politics, I’m looking at you) are EMPOWERING the right. No IP/left sanctimoniousness, no Trump, Fords, Brexit, etc.

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      3. p hill‏ @addiction82 Oct 21
        Replying to @Corrie_Mooney @HPluckrose

        When the right is declared the ultimate evil and then ceded to them are things like free speech, due process or just humor... when freedoms are deemed evil what the hell am I supposed to think of your group?

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      2. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        especially when their definition of "the right" is people like me, who are just centre right liberals with slightly different economic views and.. a belief in objective reality

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      2. Mr Graeme "Accepting Pickle" Booth  🎈‏ @graemebooth Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's the lack of addressing the problems on the left that's feeding the right.

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      3. Logan McCree‏ @LoganMcCree777 Oct 23
        Replying to @graemebooth @fidelbogen @HPluckrose

        100% correct. But it's not just the left, it's also the centrist parties (at least in Germany). They put their head in the sand and that feeds the right.

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      4. Mr Graeme "Accepting Pickle" Booth  🎈‏ @graemebooth Oct 23
        Replying to @LoganMcCree777 @fidelbogen @HPluckrose

        Yeah plenty of people ignored this nonsense for too long. I think that's changing now. The impact is getting too loud for people to ignore. Also I feel like the rampant shaming is losing power. Call people a racist/supremacist/'phobe etc all you want, dilutes it's the connotation

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      1. Liza Vespi‏ @LizaVespi Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm left-leaning but my criticisms are almost exclusively directed at the far left who've hijacked the conversation. There is more than enough criticism of the right in the MSM. The left badly needs to clean up its own doorstep.

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      2. Spooky Cavy‏ @honestcavy Oct 21
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think many of them react to it out of fear. They can't bring themselves enough out of "election panic" to think clearly. I also think they recognize that party loyalty carries a short-term advantage.

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      3. Alana Boltz‏ @alana_boltz Oct 22
        Replying to @honestcavy @HPluckrose

        But it has been two years already. (In the US, at least) I could under the panic right after the election, but we really should have moved on by now. Panic isn't effective.

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      4. Spooky Cavy‏ @honestcavy Oct 22
        Replying to @alana_boltz @HPluckrose

        I have a few thoughts about this. The first thing that comes to mind is that we are weeks from an election that will potentially decide a lot, so the emotions are to be expected. Regarding its effectiveness in this situation, I agree.

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      5. Spooky Cavy‏ @honestcavy Oct 22
        Replying to @honestcavy @alana_boltz @HPluckrose

        But I think we can all see that for many people, their emotions cloud their ability to discern what will or won't be effective behavior.

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      6. Alana Boltz‏ @alana_boltz Oct 22
        Replying to @honestcavy @HPluckrose

        That's a fair point. I just hope that panic and righteous indignation won't hurt our chances of winning back some seats next month. I think we have a good shot at some of them if we can just be smart about it. But I think we've also began to confuse high emotion with caring 1\

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      7. Alana Boltz‏ @alana_boltz Oct 22
        Replying to @alana_boltz @honestcavy @HPluckrose

        About something. I wish there was a way to make collected and calm strategizing cool again.

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      8. Alana Boltz‏ @alana_boltz Oct 22
        Replying to @alana_boltz @honestcavy @HPluckrose

        Also, can we can the name calling? It doesn't help.

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      9. Spooky Cavy‏ @honestcavy Oct 22
        Replying to @alana_boltz @HPluckrose

        Yeah, I think that happens in two instances: People giving into urges they ultimately know are destructive because it feels good, and people deciding the other person is evil and therefore is beyond convincing, and deserving of everything bad said to them.

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