Women report not “getting up the nerve” to ask questions, so researchers propose that “question time be unlimited” at scientific talks. Because, you know, time is a construct. If you won’t hang around waiting for others to speak, you must be a misogynist.https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202743 …
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I'd be supportive of initiatives to help women be more outspoken if they were confidence building classes to prepare for competing equally. Was delighted my university just held a seminar on overcoming wage gap for women which was tips on negotiating salary and raises.
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Obv, this kind of thing should also be open to nervous or socially awkward men tho.
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Helen, I wrote your comment down from an event you did with Heather, Peter, and James in Portland last year. May not be word for word: "If we are assuming the choices men make as the ultimate best choices, we are making men the default humans, which is sexist and infantilizing...
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I was reminded of this point too - which I feel isn’t really being echoed in what you’re saying now, Helen. I don’t think unlimited question time sounds like a great solution but nor do I think the answer is that women just have to learn to act like men to compete.
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Realistically, we do, I'm afraid. We can't socially engineer situations in which more women struggle so they don't. When I say that women don't have to make the same choices as men to be worthwhile, I still think they have to bear the consequences of those choices - eg lower pay.
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Yes, and if I remember the discussion correctly, Helen, you followed up the "men-default human" premise with the idea: it follows therefore that if women aren't making the same choices men are, they're doing something wrong or have fallen prey to malicious patriarchy programming.
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That is the claim, yes. I'm not sure if you see the same inconsistency that Rebecca does or not? Do you think if we accept that men & women differ on average, this gives us a responsibility to alter things to make women do the same things as men?
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I default to an anti-engineering bias when discussing solutions here. In the spirit of academic noblesse oblige the best that can be done is to NOT discourage women, in any reasonable context...and I think we may be there or close to there.
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Good for you! Would not have guessed you ever had a problem.
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