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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Arthur Dent

      I think this might be it. Currently dealing with (but now ignoring) someone who claims one cannot consistently support nondiscrimination by gender, race & sexuality AND evidence based epistemology coz of evidence that we can't treat men & women the same re: reproductive health.https://twitter.com/ArthurCDent/status/1053772614823424000 …

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      Arthur Dent @ArthurCDent
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Humans love the feeling of being right. Those tricks provide a shortcut to scratching that itch. Auto-pleasuring masquerading as communication.
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      I simply cannot go back to the beginning and explain what is meant by the liberal principle of not discriminating against people by gender, race or sexuality and why it doesn't mean giving men access to abortion & women screening for testicular cancer.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      I should just ignore it but people scratching that itch which makes them do pointmissing pedantry set off an itch in me. I have an inability to endure loose ends so I will follow them down those rabbit holes trying to tie them up & get them to see why their exception isn't one.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      For my own peace of mind. Might be OCD brain. If there is something which does not work in my logical reasoning, it must either be made to work or the reasoning changed to accommodate it coz it's a genuine problem. It can't just sit there being disorderly & not fitting in.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      Because my OCD was always obsessive rather than compulsive. I think the equivalent of this for someone like my father whose OCD was compulsive would be someone coming in and making his flannels and towels unsymmetrical. He couldn't ignore that either. Must. Restore. Order.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      My father channelled his OCD through numbers and systems which satisfied his need for order and made him a very successful businessman. I feel the need to tidy up disorderly verbal/ideological reasoning systems. Set it all out, see how it functions & show the problems with it.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      My daughter seems to do both, bless her. Has the knack for coding and is frankly incredulous and impatient with anyone who doesn't see how it works. This is interspersed with sarcastically dismantling any bad arguments she comes across in her daily life.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      Interestingly, while I was diagnosed with OCD, my father & daughter both suspected by doctors of having Asperger's. We don't know coz neither give a fuck & refuse testing. Either way, 3 generations of us now intent on bringing order & clarity to shit whether you like it or not.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      I do think a lot of whether you are likely to have a brain which requires things to work logically in demonstrable steps or whether you are fulfilled by ambiguous & fluffy allusive thinking with loose connections comes down to personality type. Which is discouraging.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

      It means we can't teach the fluffy thinkers to find logical reasoning and evidence-based epistemology satisfying and they cannot teach us to value spiritual/affective/mythical/metaphysical notions of truth. We just have to glare at each other and mutter darkly.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20

          Of course, many people manage to do both. I see this most strongly in some believing Jewish friends whose working lives require strong skills of analytical reasoning but then they take a hiatus at least once a week to be all spiritual and fluffy. Tut on them. "Tut," I say.

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        2. Mariah Lynn‏ @acanaryhope Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Interestingly, by nature, I am both. Though I wonder if one of the reasons most people tend to fall into one category or the other is that sitting in the middle can cause a lot of mental anguish whilst wrestling with oneself.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 20
          Replying to @acanaryhope

          I think most people fall more into one camp than another but don't give it much thought. They just live their lives and you have to detect it in their reasoning on daily issues.

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        4. Mariah Lynn‏ @acanaryhope Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Oh I certainly agree most people don't give it much thought. Might be part of my trouble (giving it too much.) But then I do have OCD as well and tend to overthink. Either way, I'd agree a lot of it is dictated by personality.

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        2. Entelekheia‏ @AssoEntelekheia Oct 21
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We should see this in terms of complementarity. They can teach us not to over-analyze & quantify everything in sight till we kill all joy and poetry, and we can teach them to land from time to time from their mental levitation and use logic and reason.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 21
          Replying to @AssoEntelekheia

          I'm not sure that's the divide. Empirical thinkers can still enjoy poetry etc. We just don't claim they represent truth. My background is in English literature.

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        4. Entelekheia‏ @AssoEntelekheia Oct 21
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          1/ You are right. And mysticism is not good place to start either. I know Catholics who are probably the sharpest people I have met, and I've also met lots of fluffy atheists. I even would say the second category outnumbers the first one by far.

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        5. Entelekheia‏ @AssoEntelekheia Oct 21
          Replying to @AssoEntelekheia @HPluckrose

          2/ It might be a cultural issue. If your society values logic, you get people who will dare not express emotions or will be cautious about that. Ditto for feelings. If that's valued, predisposed people will dare not think, because what gets them social acceptance is fluff.

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        2. Ally Cinnamon‏ @allycinnamon76 Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Ah, interesting you think this as well. This is the tentative conclusion I've also come to recently, having talked it out with a 'spiritual' friend.

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        3. (((ɹoqǝɹʇs ɹ ɔ)))‏ @MetaRantz Oct 20
          Replying to @allycinnamon76 @HPluckrose

          I hope your dogma chased their karma.

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        1. Arthur Dent‏ @ArthurCDent Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Most psychological truths are depressing & demoralising, yes. ;)

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        1. Pherekydes‏ @Pherekydez Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Einstein's theory had almost no evidence, hence fluffy? Fluffs can be bad but also squares can inflexibly stagnate.

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        1. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This actually made me chuckle. I think it’s possible for someone to see both sides of this coin. I don’t think it’s easy, but I think it’s possible.

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