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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 17
      Replying to @becomeother

      If I forced myself to learn some neoclassical economics for a year, and made some kind paper on how actually blood mining is actually helping the Congo or something using some highly selective data and statistical manipulation and got it published and koach bros funded ....

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    2. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 17
      Replying to @izricklyn @becomeother

      in like the "Jeronal for Human Futures, Freedom and Prosperity" or something, and was then be like "ha, ha, I'm an anti capitalist and think this is bullshit". It's not like this jeuronal would be "discredited" I would have simply have written the kind of article they publish.

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    3. Becoming Other‏ @becomeother Oct 18
      Replying to @izricklyn

      No, a better analogy would be if you took something self-evidently absurd, like the amount of farts contributing to total GDP, and if you dressed it up in all the right neoclassical equations to get it accepted. That would discredit the journal and neoclassical economics.

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    4. Becoming Other‏ @becomeother Oct 18
      Replying to @becomeother @izricklyn

      Because it demonstrates that the kind of articles they publish are likely bullshit because they've lost sight of any grasping towards truth, and it is simply a procedural matter of arranging language and symbols in the right way.

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    5. Becoming Other‏ @becomeother Oct 18
      Replying to @becomeother @izricklyn

      But I suppose a postmodernist doesn't think there's any difference between reality and the arrangement of symbols anyway. So there is no "discrediting" possible right? I mean if that's the case why don't we abandon academics and just play minecraft?

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    6. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 18
      Replying to @becomeother

      There is nothing non objective about symbolic structures, language is like quite material, working with it is work. it's code. you know something about code right? This is why I keep saying without working with "the Text" with texts it's all a just phantasms.

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    7. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 18
      Replying to @izricklyn @becomeother

      I think what this comes down to is an old theological split between the interpretive tradition and and the fundamentalist tradition. I the former the Text is open, but require constant maintenance, reviewal, commentary and expansion in the other the text just manifest.

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    8. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 18
      Replying to @izricklyn @becomeother

      It's telling that the right doesn't really have very concrete ideas about what they want to replace humanities departments with. Often they (including the authors of the dog park paper and Jordan person), just call for them to shut down.

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    9. Becoming Other‏ @becomeother Oct 19
      Replying to @izricklyn

      Helen Pluckrose just sent a tweet the other day opposing calls from the right for gender studies to be shut down. But yes, you're right they don't have a replacement. But it is humanities depts which are primarily responsible for the quality and relevance of their own work.

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    10. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 19
      Replying to @becomeother

      izrick Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      Lyndsey seem to consider a shut down in Vox article, when I pointed this out to Helen she basically said their on the same page. (post-structuralism should be confined to extracurricular reeding groups and blogging)https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1053273108369604608 …

      izrick added,

      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      We're both happy for people do grievance studies outside the academy but study gender, race and sexuality rigorously inside it. https://twitter.com/izricklyn/status/1053269861290401792 …
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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 19
      Replying to @izricklyn @becomeother

      We don't call to shut it down. Bad ideas are not beaten by being banned. They are beaten by losing credibility and becoming marginalised. This is how universities stopped using Christianity as an epistemology. See my timeline today. Also, not right-wing.

      9:20 AM - 19 Oct 2018
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        2. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 19
          Replying to @HPluckrose @becomeother

          I get that you don't want to get lumped in with the "cultural marxism" crowd, you feel like you did the work and get it, and certainly you will have you allies among the MLs, but when you insist on vague terms like "postmodernism" and "grievance studies" you might as well be JBP.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 19
          Replying to @izricklyn @becomeother

          We haven't been remotely vague. We've set out the problems we see and demonstrated them. It is up to you whether to read that or not.

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        2. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 20
          Replying to @HPluckrose @becomeother

          izrick Retweeted James Lindsay

          And these are the credible, rigorous very not at all reactionary folks who are part of the solution:https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1047736683502825472 …

          izrick added,

          James Lindsay @ConceptualJames
          Depends on the courage of those who see the emperor is butt-naked but wouldn't dare say so. Time for courage. #TheyDontSpeakForUs https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1047523577019469825 …
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        3. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 20
          Replying to @izricklyn @HPluckrose @becomeother

          izrick Retweeted Jordan B Peterson

          It's not like these fine gentlemen have any bad ideas 🤦‍♂️https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1047523577019469825 …

          izrick added,

          Jordan B PetersonVerified account @jordanbpeterson
          Douglas Murray on the appalling indistinguishabilty of satire from genuine "Grievance Studies" academic papers. I'm afraid that the corruption has gone so deep that few will notice and even fewer care. http://j.mp/2Nmli7I 
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        2. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 19
          Replying to @HPluckrose @becomeother

          I agree that if you really want to overcome ideas you have to make them loose credibility but if you legitimately want to devalue them you have to do so by engaginging with them enough to pull off a transvaluation of them.

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        3. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 19
          Replying to @izricklyn @HPluckrose @becomeother

          That is essentially what last two centurys of philosophy theory and science has been doing with your unreformed enlightenment notions. (like that idea their are just "bad ideas" which can be "beating back", stamped shown the error in their ways by "facts, logic and reason."

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        4. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 19
          Replying to @izricklyn @HPluckrose @becomeother

          What your brand of cultural pessimism, criticism(without critique), and appeals to the common sense of the Pöbel can contribute to, are bans or marginalizations carried out by reactionary political forces, which may not kill necessary ideas but....

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        5. izrick‏ @izricklyn Oct 19
          Replying to @izricklyn @HPluckrose @becomeother

          ....well see the early history of your precious enlightenment and liberalism.

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        6. End of conversation

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