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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Andy C. Ngo

    Nuts, yes. (See our "Moon Meetings" paper.) But pagan feminist witchcraft might seem more nuts than more traditional spiritual beliefs which include bizarre rituals because we have much more familiarity with the latter, particularly those associated with the Abrahamic religions.https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1052986438357139456 …

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    Andy C. NgoVerified account @MrAndyNgo
    This is nuts. @kyrstensinema, who is the Democratic candidate for US-Senate in Arizona, was involved with the occult on issues of foreign policy. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/sinema-invited-pagan-witches-to-anti-war-rally/ …
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      2. Keiko‏ @keikoinboston Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I see this criticism as disingenuous Christian-based pagan panic. 1/

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      3. Keiko‏ @keikoinboston Oct 18
        Replying to @keikoinboston @HPluckrose

        In spite of our supposed separation of church and state, it is totally normal for politicians to invite faith groups to their events, to hold meetings w/ faith leaders, and to pray at houses of worship in their capacity as politicians or w/ faith leaders on government property.2/

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      4. Keiko‏ @keikoinboston Oct 18
        Replying to @keikoinboston @HPluckrose

        I doubt that when Republican politicians invite fringe Christian groups that the right-leaning media reports on it in the manner that they are reporting on Sinema. 3/

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @keikoinboston

        I'm not having a go at Andy and I agree it's nuts. I'm just pointing out that it's not objectively more nuts than Christian singing, praying, communion etc or Muslim bowing at the floor with your bum in the air or any number of Jewish rituals including bowing repeatedly at walls.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose @keikoinboston

        Humans are nuts. I include myself among them as I have a number of rituals of my own although none of them are religious and when I had OCD, they got diagnosed as nuts.

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      8. Keiko‏ @keikoinboston Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Rituals can certainly be taken to an extreme but given their prevalence, is it fair to say that all rituals make humans nuts? It seems to just be human nature of different flavors.

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @keikoinboston

        Yes. That's what I meant. As we define what is nuts as what diverges from normal human behaviour, we are not nuts. But if we try to look at ourselves objectively, I think we can see some thoroughly irrational behaviour in our species.

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      2. אריק שודי‏ @eschudy Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think maybe the more 'secular' point is not that she chose a belief system that people regard as weird, because all religions have their detractors. It's that the one she did choose is so out of tune with the average voter as to make her look like a loon.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @eschudy

        Indeed. That's why it's worth mentioning that this perception is thoroughly culturally and historically constructed and in other times and places, this has seemed perfectly normal & respectable. Also, it calls to common human needs we nearly all seem to have.

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      4. אריק שודי‏ @eschudy Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And given that elections are truly popularity contest, a politician's beliefs are judged by that same polity. And the somewhat opposing desires to be in control of ones environment, yet transcending it somewhat, seem to be universal needs. But some people are just cray cray

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @eschudy

        Indeed but I'm not sure the pagans are crazier than you lot. :-p *begins complicated tea-making ritual*

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      6. אריק שודי‏ @eschudy Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        NB: never stated the antecedent. That's because I know we ARE all crazy. (again see what I just did there? Another ambiguous antecedent!) Keep guessing tea-pot reader.

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      2. Liz Burns‏ @LBMTL Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        IDK, rituals, Abrahamic or otherwise, are not all the same and serve a particular purpose; they may appear bizarre but are supported by the underlying belief system. The problem with dismissing them wholesale, as with anything, is not understanding their grounds in the 1st place

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @LBMTL

        Indeed but it is largely arbitrary - a result of how history has played out that American society regards Christian prayers and raising of hands as perfectly normal and pagan singing and spinning as nuts.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Liz Burns‏ @LBMTL Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Ooooh, I see. Didn't get that at first. We don't that stuff up here in Canada.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Liz Burns‏ @LBMTL Oct 18
        Replying to @LBMTL @HPluckrose

        * Don't have. Or if we do, we don't talk about it. Nobody cares.

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      2. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        http://skepticreview.com/2018/10/13/james-lindsay-channels-a-feminist-and-things-get-kind-of-weird-an-academic-hoax/ … #MoonMeetings

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      3. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 18
        Replying to @SkepticReview89 @HPluckrose

        #MoonMeetingspic.twitter.com/wCFWlqdip1

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      1. James Britt  🎧 music.jamesbritt.com‏ @jamesbritt Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "Involved" being "she invited this group (among others) to an anti-war rally." Simple ragebait.

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