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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

    I think some people are overreacting to Keira Knightley saying she has chosen films for her 3-year-old daughter in which women have strong roles and rejected ones in which they are passive. I don't know any of her other views on gender issues which could be awful but this is OK.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

        I am an extremely liberal parent and have not banned my daughter from watching anything really since she's been old enough to know what she wanted to watch but before then I certainly directed her to the kind of stuff that encouraged toughness, independence and resilience.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

        This is mostly because they are much more fun but also because I always liked the "Sisters are doing it for themselves" feminism & not the "Sisterhood is dead now coz intersectionality & women are passive victims of everything & can't be expected to cope with words & stuff.'

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      2. arceyt‏ @arceyt3 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don't think that there is anything wrong with passivity, fragility, or gentility. I encourage my daughters to pursue literature with a wide variety of characters because the world is filled with a wide variety of characters. I want my daughters to value all personality types.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @arceyt3

        Hmmm. Not a fan of the whole anti-fragile thing? I don't think there's a problem with being a reserved and gentle person, of course, but I do think people who lack agency and can't cope with life need to seek help.

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      4. arceyt‏ @arceyt3 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Is there a correlation between gentile, fragile, passive natures and an inability to cope with life? I have no clue about the science.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @arceyt3

        This is what is being referred to, yes. Passivity is the opposite of taking action and fragility is about not being able to cope with things. The latter if most often used in relation to the increasing sensitivity to words. Microaggressions. Trigger warnings etc. See Haidt.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
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        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snqXOvnHzcQ …

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      7. arceyt‏ @arceyt3 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Wow! Scary stuff. But so refreshing to see serious minds discussing things openly.

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      2. Louis Salinger  🐋‏ @Mr_Bloppo Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The question is it genuinely strong roles? Or is it the feminist perverse definition of strong, ie acting masculine?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @Mr_Bloppo

        I don't think that is really a thing right now. We have a vixtimhood feminism going on. However, I am also happy with that in movies. My daughter certainly is.

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      2. Roy Abrams‏ @RQA Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Only heard this yesterday. Perhaps the issue is that the cultural artifacts of our childhood, formerly thought of as benign, have been assigned a political meaning that doesn't jibe with our own memories of them.

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      2. Stackem‏ @_Surfers_Girl Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I have mom-opinions on parents "banning" things like this based on nuanced distinctions that matter mostly to other adults. I think parents (and society generally) believes things like this affect children more than they do. (1/2)

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      3. Stackem‏ @_Surfers_Girl Oct 18
        Replying to @_Surfers_Girl @HPluckrose

        More impactful, I suspect, is that curating kids' experiences obsessively imparts that they are fragile or that mundane ideas dangerous, which is not without involvement in the rise of GS. But yeah. Ultimately, her kids her choice. I'm a free-ranger myself. (2/2)

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      1. Liberal, Not Lefty‏ @liberalnotlefty Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Agreed, another case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Which Shapiro isn't new at.

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      2. subtweetive streak‏ @kellyrued Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        my problem though is that most of the time when ppl are calling female characters "passive" a more honest reading shows they are anything but passive. Trivializing + belittling women's efforts + decisions because they are not the most direct, violent, or successful is uncool.

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      3. A‏ @AlexNelsonn18 Oct 18
        Replying to @kellyrued @HPluckrose

        I think that’s a problem across society. Anything subtle is either lost on people or else chronically undervalued

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      1. Bill‏ @ztwx2015 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        “Being outraged that someone else is outraged” is everyone’s favourite hobby on Twitter.

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      1. Nocturnal‏ @Nocturnal_biped Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        My opinion on this is that it's not newsworthy. Actress + opinion = automatically important doesn't fly with me.

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      1. Ava Fremont‏ @AvaFremont Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Hey they'd all hate me. I don't think movies are appropriate for 3 year olds at all. I'm pretty strict about the 30 minutes of screen time, tops, thing.

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