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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted James Lindsay

    Yes. I see this particularly with gender. We could be arguing with much evidence that men & women differ on average psychologically in many ways but that we are hugely overlapping populations with much individual variation so this tells us nothing about any individual. 1/manyhttps://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1052933899565846530 …

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    James Lindsay @ConceptualJames
    If the left won't deal with sensitive topics like gender, race, and sexuality honestly, it creates a vacuum that gets filled by voices on the other side, who sound more fair and reasonable even if pushing their own agenda. We must be able to speak honestly.
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

        The facts of the matter give us all we need to argue against any restrictions on women or men to prescribed gender roles or any assumption that any individual will have certain cognitive or psychological traits because of their sex.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

        If we fail to do this and instead argue that men & women are psychologically & cognitively identical and seek to punish those who say differently because we think that reality is a social construct perpetuated in language and some arguments must be banned & others promoted...

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18

        We can only lose credibility with reasonable & observant people who know damn well that men & women have differences on average. This leaves them open to accepting right-wing narratives which do acknowledge this but make too much of them, neglect individual variation & moralise.

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      2. Drew Black‏ @thedrewblack73 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I was at a personality psychology lecture just yesterday where it was argued that the only differences between sexes were biological and everything else is a social construct relating to genders. There doesn’t appear to be much science to back that up.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 18
        Replying to @thedrewblack73

        A tautology. Everything that is biological is biological and everything that is socialised is socialised. But what are they including in those categories? Our evolved brains are biological as are our hormones & both produce cognitive, psychological & behavioural differences

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      4. Drew Black‏ @thedrewblack73 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes. You only need to see how male and female toddlers play to see the differences. The argument was that ‘subtle’ norms are placed on children from the cradle and most of the argument was centred around books, toys etc and if these cues weren’t present we would see no differenc

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      5. batje‏ @batje Oct 19
        Replying to @thedrewblack73 @HPluckrose

        That is an interesting argument, because there actually *are* societies without toys and books. Very poor places in for example Africa will not enjoy tools from outside, but only depend on toys that are self-made (wire-frame cars, banana leaf footballs etc.).

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      6. Drew Black‏ @thedrewblack73 Oct 19
        Replying to @batje @HPluckrose

        And even without those external cues we still see differences.

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      1. steven isle‏ @damnthatcursor Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Bang on, H. Even if it’s true that men or women have this or that facility in greater amounts, it says nothing about individuals. Top female athletes are better than 9.99% of men in their events and International rugby players are tougher/more skilled than 90% of male players.

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      1. Drew Black‏ @thedrewblack73 Oct 18
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        2/2 primary exposure early in life is their mothers, and their mothers friends, also most likely women/mothers. But they instead display inherently different ways of expressing personality than there female friends...who would have thought?

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      1. Drew Black‏ @thedrewblack73 Oct 18
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        While I think that masculinity/femininity can exist on a spectrum, they are still different. If gender was determined by operant conditioning or exposure to your environment then it makes sense to me that more boys would be more ‘feminine’ as their 1/2

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