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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 16

      My phone's autocorrect rejects epistemological relativism. It refuses to accept that "knowledges" are a thing but corrects to "knowledge."

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    2. Stephen Leitheiser‏ @s_leity Oct 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      @BretWeinstein Just reading Hayek’s (1945) “The Use of Knowledge”. The discussion of different forms of knowledge and how they impact social and economic policy is not something that is new in post-modernism. Interested to hear your takes on how we should discuss this phenomenon.pic.twitter.com/abw1qYWcVQ

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
      Replying to @s_leity @BretWeinstein

      Not sure what the phenomenon is. Only one kind of knowledge is actually named.

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    4. Stephen Leitheiser‏ @s_leity Oct 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BretWeinstein

      He mentions “expert” or “scientific” knowledge in this passage but also “the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place” later. The phenomenon is that there are clear differences in influence these knowledges have on social and economic planning and policy.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
      Replying to @s_leity @BretWeinstein

      This is not what is meant by epistemological relativism tho. Both scientific knowledge gained in universities & local knowledge gained by experience will discover the same thing if it is true. This is the same kind of knowledge (empirical) being discovered on different levels.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose @s_leity @BretWeinstein

      eg, in 14th century England, it was noted that patients of uneducated barber surgeons who worked on trial & error & passing on what worked were surviving better than patients of university-trained physicians who were going largely on a mix of ancient Greek medicine & theology.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
      Replying to @HPluckrose @s_leity @BretWeinstein

      This was because empirical testing works better than received knowledge that remains static. When university-based medical science became evidence-based, it had the resources to do this much more efficiently.

      5:29 AM - 17 Oct 2018
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        2. Stephen Leitheiser‏ @s_leity Oct 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BretWeinstein

          i was pushing back more in terms of fields like economics, urban planning, or even agriculture - i wouldn’t pick an argument for medicine or natural sciences. thanks for your responses!

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
          Replying to @s_leity @BretWeinstein

          Same principles. If there is a right answer to a question in one of those areas, it will be found by both expert knowledge and local knowledge. If they differ (and they are genuinely asking the same question) one of them will be wrong.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose @s_leity @BretWeinstein

          More often the difference is one of opinion of what the most important questions to answer are and what the desired result should be.

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        5. Stephen Leitheiser‏ @s_leity Oct 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BretWeinstein

          isn’t this is where things like power, path dependencies, norms, values, etc. have some impact on the production of knowledge then? i guess my reading of such texts says we should take this into account. not as the only(!) factors, but factors nonethelessp

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
          Replying to @s_leity @BretWeinstein

          No, this is where they have impact on the development of opinions. Yes, we should take opinions into account. With human beings, often how we feel about a certain thing is more important than the facts of the thing.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 17
          Replying to @HPluckrose @s_leity @BretWeinstein

          In the case of a child who dies of cancer, there are things to know about cancer & how it leads to death but unless you are a medical professionals/scientist, this knowledge is less important than helping the bereaved cope with the loss. The knowledge doesn't vary. Priorities do.

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