Applied postmodernism can & does take parts of Marxism by including capitalism as one of its oppressive power systems alongside patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism etc. But Marxism was one its first targets. 1/2https://twitter.com/bc_nbc/status/1052255190768705536 …
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Marxists do claim scientific objectivity, though historical materialism is actually unfalsifiable and sort of religious, but in a completely different way from postmodernism.
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This is all pseudo intellectual nonsense. all of those words are vague and mean a variety of things. combined they mean all and nothing.
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lol how you keep criticizing in these threads while having absolutely no understanding of what is being said continues to amaze me she is saying that marxists don't like PoMos because of relativism, and because they want socioeconomic class to be the focus.
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Yes. And I tell you, that if you would read marx you would not know what marxism actually is in terms of economic policies. the same is true for postmodernism. chomsky critizised french intellectuals in the 60's yet he doesn't know what it exactly means.
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What we do know though is, that viktor orban, europes little fascist, can use the work of Helen or Douglas murray for his crackdown on freedom in Hungary.
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Ah yes Helen Pluckrose, known fascist defender (it might be interesting for you to read her essays and see whether her ideas justify a "crackdown on freedom") And the first response is nonsense. Helen's conclusion is from reading both marxists (not just Marx) and postmodernists.
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I should say "applied postmodernists" but whatever. The main point is that there is a schism between self-labeled marxists and "grievance studies" scholars. Even people you like (like Matt Yglesias) agree with this point.
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Define all of those words for me please.
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"self-labeled marxists" refers to scholars that call themselves marxists. "Grievance studies" include the subfields described in the Areo piece (gender studies, queer studies, etc.). "Applied postmodernism" is equivalent to "Pomoid Cluster", described here:https://everythingstudies.com/2018/06/21/postmodernism-vs-the-pomoid-cluster/ …
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Thanks Helen a well articulated insight that makes sense. I often feel I learn something from your tweets. Respect.
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If only there was a book
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It's def muddled and cultural marxism is poor term. It does seem there's an ideology that mixes aspects of pomo with the concept of struggle btwn groups (incorrectly called marxist?) Maybe a new title could clarify? I'm not sure applied pomo really covers it.
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@jacobinmag has written about identity politics in this context. -
At this point you might tell Helen that Martin Luther King wasn't a liberal and a modern individualist. he was a socialist who fought the structural problems of the working class and the underprivileged in the US.
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