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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      I'm quite sure it is.

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    2. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Good.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      However, I'm not sure how that would work here because if everyone agreed that its a problem that journals publish the things they do, they wouldn't be able to do that. They do it because people don't agree that this is a problem.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      And I'm not sure what an experimental protocol would look like when we relied on being directed by reviewers & learning how it worked as we went along. I'm certainly not asserting that this reflexive ethnographic kind of approach is the only or most convincing one

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      We have tried to be clear about what can be claimed to have been shown and what can't and it mostly comes down to being able to get the kind of stuff published that we did get published by using existing scholarship to justify it and following reviewers' directions. That's all.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      People cannot deny this to be true but they can argue about what it means. Those opposed seem to be mostly saying that 1) our papers are actually good & there is no problem, 2) Whataboutism about how other fields have problems too 3) Character & motivational assassinations.

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    7. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think there were some people who weren't obviously ill-intentioned or stupid who were failed to be convinced by this study. Some people found it very convincing, Other people were more skeptical. Of course, there were also character-assassins.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev @HPluckrose

      Personally, I thought the hoax was very witty, and well done, and I'm predisposed to think most of this critical theory stuff is bollocks anyway. But, I also think that people are going to continue to argue over what if anything it proves.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      Yes, but they do seem to be arguing over things outside of what we claimed it showed. People are saying we did not prove this epistemology or ethics to be any kind of a problem and we didn't in that project. That was about showing it to exist. We have argued against it elsewhere.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      They are saying we did not prove knowledge production to be worse in these fields than anywhere else but this project was not about that either & did not make that claim. We support people addressing other kinds of problems with knowledge production in other fields.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      Other people are claiming we did not show the whole of the humanities or all scholarship around gender, race and sexuality to be terrible and that's good because we don't think they are and said so explicitly.

      11:59 AM - 15 Oct 2018
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        2. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, I see all this stuff about 'grievance studies'. Are you making the claim that your hoax disproves certain subfields, which could be said to involve grievance of some sort? I'm not clear.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          We are arguing that scholarship which draws on the postmodern premise that knowledge is socially constructed in the service of power & perpetuated via language - radical skepticism and cultural constructivism - exists in identity studies & produces irrational & unethical results.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          We called this 'grievance studies' because it focuses on these systems of power from a Social Justice perspective which seeks to interpret all sorts of things as evidence of these oppressive power structures. We did particularly well finding evidence of problematic masculinity.

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        5. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          OK, I'm going to take a break from this conversation, cos it's going on so long, and debating anything on Twitter is *hard*. But, I hope there aren't any bad feelings.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
          Replying to @christianjbdev

          Yes, I will gladly leave it here. No bad feelings. There have been resigned and sad ones where you are concerned for some time. I no longer have any wish to try to remedy them tho. You are who you are and I accept that.

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        7. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Ah, so just a few bad feelings.

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