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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      It showed that we could draw on an awful lot of terrible scholarship to justify terrible claims and that reviewers would direct this to further awfulness.

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    2. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'm not doubting you're convinced by your own study.

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    3. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev @HPluckrose

      The point I'm making, and which you're responding to, is that a good way to convince others is to design an experimental protocol in collaboration with the ones making the claims, and where everyone agrees to abide by the results, beforehand.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      I'm quite sure it is.

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    5. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Good.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      However, I'm not sure how that would work here because if everyone agreed that its a problem that journals publish the things they do, they wouldn't be able to do that. They do it because people don't agree that this is a problem.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      And I'm not sure what an experimental protocol would look like when we relied on being directed by reviewers & learning how it worked as we went along. I'm certainly not asserting that this reflexive ethnographic kind of approach is the only or most convincing one

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      We have tried to be clear about what can be claimed to have been shown and what can't and it mostly comes down to being able to get the kind of stuff published that we did get published by using existing scholarship to justify it and following reviewers' directions. That's all.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

      People cannot deny this to be true but they can argue about what it means. Those opposed seem to be mostly saying that 1) our papers are actually good & there is no problem, 2) Whataboutism about how other fields have problems too 3) Character & motivational assassinations.

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    10. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think there were some people who weren't obviously ill-intentioned or stupid who were failed to be convinced by this study. Some people found it very convincing, Other people were more skeptical. Of course, there were also character-assassins.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
      Replying to @christianjbdev

      Convinced of what tho? If they're not convinced of the limited claims we made: We published papers which said certain things Those things are entirely compatible with what is already there Reviewers directed us towards those things they are objectively wrong.

      11:53 AM - 15 Oct 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose @christianjbdev

          I haven't met anyone who is denying this. What continues is disagreement about whether it is OK that this happens and whether it is OK to criticise this happening and whether it is OK to criticise it in the way we did.

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        3. (((Christian JB)))  🐌‏ @christianjbdev Oct 15
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          OK, well, I'm not going to play devil's advocate and argue something I don't really believe, because I personally agree with you that the journals likely can't reliably distinguish good papers from bad.

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