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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14

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    When the behaviours which indicate white fragility are staying put and disagreeing, staying put and being silent and going away, this only leaves staying put and agreeing as an acceptable non-fragile behaviour. The problem with this should be clear.https://twitter.com/katrosenfield/status/1021813927154470919 …

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    I've often felt that "white fragility" is an unproductive concept for use in mainstream conversation, and this passage pretty much sums up why. Are we really pretending to be mystified that people don't stick around once the racial name-calling starts? https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism … pic.twitter.com/AD1WfSV5W3
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      2. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Skeptic Review Retweeted Conspirador Norteño

        Here's an example of how bots try to work up societal division. The #NPC tag is meant to make fun of social justice. It gets people all worked up over nothing.https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/1051580874888814593 …

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        Conspirador Norteño @conspirator0
        To explore the phenomenon, we ran a search for tweets and retweets containing #NPC, and limited the set of accounts to those A) created since September 1st and B) having a userpic matching the theme shown here. This resulted in 345 accounts (it's probable that we missed some). pic.twitter.com/GiAj0QGAxz
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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @SkepticReview89

        I'm not sure how this applies to Robin DiAngelo tho.

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      4. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You're right. It doesn't. But hashtags like wypipo do get pushed by bots to make us believe racial divides are worse than they are. I am trying to learn more about it! It is shaping some of our thinking, I believe.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @SkepticReview89

        OK, but Robin DiAngelo isn't one. She's one of the most influential critical race scholars that we've been studying.

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      2. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Helen, another consideration is that these terms are pushed by bots, making things look even worse. People need to be more media savvy.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @SkepticReview89

        Huh? No, that's Robin DiAngelo she is talking about.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Hans Germish‏ @HansGermishMagi Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89

        Skeptical Review is starting to sound like a bot right now... The bots are laying a trap.pic.twitter.com/ZJp0GMm6ln

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      5. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 14
        Replying to @HansGermishMagi @HPluckrose

        Bot-like activity detected!🤣

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      1. Roy Meredith‏ @ThoreauSquad Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's about stigmatizing dissent, and not much more.

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      2. Yenrap Rellin‏ @sisboombahbah Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames

        1. Excellent! Another tactic I use when being accused of “white fragility” is to ask “is there something intrinsic in my whiteness that makes me fragile?” The variety of answers is fascinating. When they say “yes” I point out that essentialist thinking like that is....

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      3. Yenrap Rellin‏ @sisboombahbah Oct 15
        Replying to @sisboombahbah @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames

        l2. ...problematic if we agree that race is a construct. If they respond to that by saying “race isn’t a construct” then I ask why are they opposed to research from people like Douglas Murray? If the response to my initial claim about essentialism is “no, it’s not intrinsic.”..

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      4. Yenrap Rellin‏ @sisboombahbah Oct 15
        Replying to @sisboombahbah @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames

        3. Then I simply say “So what you’re talking about is human fragility. It just happens to be ‘white’ at this moment. Right?” Of course I’m usually blocked before I even get to make this point.

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      1. Dilan  🇺🇸 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 ❌‏ @beethovenjams Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Of course. Anything done as a rebuttal is “proof” of Said label. Using this as a way to “pigeonhole” a race is totalitarian in ideology. The slippery slope.

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      1. Diogenes‏ @Diogenes3000 Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This idea of widespread “white fragility” is a trap IMHO. As you said, if one disagrees in any manner, BOOM, White Fragility. This invocations seems to be more and more disingenuous.

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      1. Ray Hewitt‏ @oneto36 Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm disappointed. I thought wypipo meant homie or friend. I mean the 'pip' is obviously a Dicken's reference right? And he is the friendliest friend who ever friended.

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      2. Louis Beck‏ @Louisthered Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        From what I've read, most white people arent generally conscious of being white, as opposed to most minorities where they closely relate their race to their own identity. I think that's an important element in this conversation

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      1. Eric Hamell‏ @EricHamell Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This sounds very reminiscent of how Chinese thought reformers would say a prisoner wasn't "sincere" unless he unreservedly confessed to all accusations against him.

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      1. Lightening_Bolt_Zolt‏ @BitterIntrovert Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Thanks alot Helen!! Now I have a headache from reading some of the absolutely moronic replies in that thread.

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      1. Anthony Lipke‏ @AnthonyLipke Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm going to go out on a limb here and say peace as a standard is good to expect and maintain.

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