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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14

    I wasted probably thousands of hours in total arguing fruitlessly with creationists. I'm not going to make the same mistake with people who insist postmodern identity/grievance studies critical theory is Marxist Frankfurt School critical theory. Believe what you want.

    5:34 PM - 14 Oct 2018
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      2. James Lindsay‏ @ConceptualJames Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm having proper tea tomorrow to celebrate this.

        3 replies 0 retweets 30 likes
      3. SecularBloke‏ @SecularBloke Oct 14
        Replying to @ConceptualJames @HPluckrose

        Don’t microwave it for too long, you’ll burn your tongue.

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @SecularBloke @ConceptualJames

        Why would you say such a thing? Why? What did I ever do to you to deserve such cruelty?

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      5. Robert Jenkin‏ @robjenkin Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SecularBloke @ConceptualJames

        As a Brit, I am almost as sad about the idea that you microwave tea as I am about the degradation of academia as it collapses into dangerously escalating virtue signallingpic.twitter.com/IFmeE0DkK0

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
        Replying to @robjenkin @SecularBloke @ConceptualJames

        I DO NOT MICROWAVE TEA!!!

        8 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      7. Robert Jenkin‏ @robjenkin Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SecularBloke @ConceptualJames

        A bit starstruck right now. Both @HPluckrose and @ConceptualJames replying. All I need is @peterboghossian to weigh in & I’ve got a full house. When you’re in London hit me up & you can all come round for tea (earl grey) & we can talk about epistemology & social science.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 15
        Replying to @robjenkin @SecularBloke and

        I am in London. Hence knowing better about tea!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Robert Jenkin‏ @robjenkin Oct 15
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SecularBloke and

        Yer I forgot. You were at the battle of ideas. Sadly couldn’t be there as I was studying all weekend. 😔

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Heretic of the Lantern‏ @indynoggin Oct 14
        Replying to @Philosophy_Net @HPluckrose

        It is Marcuse’s ‘discriminating tolerance’ that explains the contemporary far-left’s deplatforming activism. Habermas’ discourse ethics stands in stark contrast and might offer a productive, rational way out of our present impasse.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @indynoggin @Philosophy_Net

        Show me. Show them citing Marcuse.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Cultural Analysis‏ @Philosophy_Net Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose @indynoggin

        I’ll try:) “The web of domination has become the web of Reason itself.” (Marcuse 1991, 172) But surely Marcuse was not suggestion that Reason as such is a tool of domination, but ‘totalitarian’ selective application of lies looking like reason...

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @Philosophy_Net @indynoggin

        Can you show me Social Justice scholars or activists citing Marcuse? I've just been intensively studying them for a year. They tend to cite the gender, race & sexuality grievance scholars who tend to cite the postmodernists.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Heretic of the Lantern‏ @indynoggin Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Philosophy_Net

        I suspect bc Marcuse was associated with communism, they haven't been too eager to associate themselves with him for marketing reasons, but what they are doing is exactly what he prescribed. Maybe the link is Angela Davis, who was one of his students: http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/scholaractivists.htm …

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Heretic of the Lantern‏ @indynoggin Oct 14
        Replying to @indynoggin @HPluckrose @Philosophy_Net

        The idea is basically that if anything even carries a whiff of fascism, you shut it down before it can influence politics. Discriminating tolerance (also called "liberating tolerance") is illiberal double standards--even allowing oppressed/marginalized groups to break the law:pic.twitter.com/80O2I9lDNs

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @indynoggin @Philosophy_Net

        Yes, I know. What I now need is some reason to think campus activists are really influenced by this rather than the things they say they're influenced by which also explain their behaviour.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Well, well, well, what do we got here‏ @Ashkiiaxix Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        could someone clue me in on what are the differences between the grievance studies and the frankfurt critical theory?

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @Ashkiiaxix

        Not on Twitter really, no. Best I can do is say that the postmodernists were critical of Marxism and the Frankfurt school and they were critical back. Objectivism main conflict. Grievance studies is based on an evolved & politicised form of postmodernism.https://areomagazine.com/2018/02/07/no-postmodernism-is-not-dead-and-other-misconceptions/ …

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      2. Jeremy Spradlin‏ @jkspradlin Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Ok look you guys are shooting above my head with this, but I’m curious if I’m kinda following a little bit: there are two different versions of critical theory here, but the newer, identitarian version is beyond the pale as opposed to Marxist Frankfurt school of thought?

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 14
        Replying to @jkspradlin

        Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

        https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1051259959739117569 …

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        Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
        Replying to @XavierTrapnel
        It's potentially confusing. Frankfurt School = Critical Theory (Marxist method) Postmodernism = Theory (relativist, constructivist bletherings) Grievance studies = critical theory (PoMo theory which is critical of perceived power structures.)
        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Erik Norvind‏ @ErikNorvind Oct 14
        Replying to @HPluckrose @jkspradlin

        Finally someone cleared this up. Thank you. It was reminding me of my teen years when everyone would yell at everyone else that they were misunderstanding the "genre" of some particular band and smugly correct them.

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      5. End of conversation

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