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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Erik Wedin (LiberalKonservativ)‏ @Aktivarum Oct 10
      Replying to @loominext @HPluckrose and

      "Does that mean you think there's some "genetic" (or whatever) predisposition to beauty standards?" This is almost a joke-question. Have you SEEN the statues from ancient Greece? You do realise that their society was nothing like ours and they still admired those standards?

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    2.  👻Deutscher Philologenverband 👻‏ @loominext Oct 10
      Replying to @Aktivarum @HPluckrose and

      Ah yeah because the only two societies known to mankind are "ours" (whatever that may mean) and *checks notes* ancient Greece. Sure.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3.  👻Deutscher Philologenverband 👻‏ @loominext Oct 10
      Replying to @loominext @Aktivarum and

      And by the way, last time I checked there wasn't any Greek statue looking like this.pic.twitter.com/lM6CHBJrjZ

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Erik Wedin (LiberalKonservativ)‏ @Aktivarum Oct 12
      Replying to @loominext @HPluckrose and

      I never said Greek statues looked like 2018 bodybuilders , that wasnt my argument. My argument was that Greek statues have the physical standards of muscle over fat. So its not a modern value. Also the Olympic Games come from the Greek so thats also not a modern standard.

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    5. Chris Schumerth‏ @ChrisSchumerth Oct 12
      Replying to @Aktivarum @loominext and

      When I think of beauty and whether or not there's some "determination" in "beauty standards" I'm not even thinking about muscle vs. fat. I was thinking more like: symmetry of features, particularly in the face.

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    6. Chris Schumerth‏ @ChrisSchumerth Oct 12
      Replying to @ChrisSchumerth @Aktivarum and

      The other stuff seems to get sexualized in pretty diverse ways (i.e. preferences), which is fine.

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    7. Erik Wedin (LiberalKonservativ)‏ @Aktivarum Oct 12
      Replying to @ChrisSchumerth @loominext and

      The reason sexualization is "diverse" is because while "beauty standards" is a positively ancient ideal. Sexualization is a modern idea same as diversity as a value also is a modern idea and have no historical foundation,

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    8. LanceSmith‏ @LanceSmith1100 Oct 12
      Replying to @Aktivarum @ChrisSchumerth and

      This is in many ways a nature vs. nurture question. I would argue that likely most physical "beauty standards" are driven by evolution. Yes, there is a scale and fashion comes into play. But I'd wonder about the standard deviation over time/culture/etc. Probably fairly tight.

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    9. LanceSmith‏ @LanceSmith1100 Oct 12
      Replying to @LanceSmith1100 @Aktivarum and

      This is what it seems the "fat studies" people probably don't understand. They feel that if they just "pound the table" hard enough that everyone will just become biologically rewired to find obesity attractive. That probably isn't going to happen.

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    10. Erik Wedin (LiberalKonservativ)‏ @Aktivarum Oct 12
      Replying to @LanceSmith1100 @ChrisSchumerth and

      Well, muscles werent male ideal because they were more attrative sexually. They were the male ideal for functional reasons. Men with muscles are strong and healthy and the obvious reason to oppose muscles for any studies-X is that they want men who are weak and unhealthy.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 12
      Replying to @Aktivarum @LanceSmith1100 and

      Both are true. Offspring survive better if their fathers are physically strong. Therefore natural selection favoured women who were attracted to muscular men.

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        2. Erik Wedin (LiberalKonservativ)‏ @Aktivarum Oct 12
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LanceSmith1100 and

          Yes strong men survive better and they also are more admired. Even when men are the bad guys (for example in movies) they are admired for being capable. Also historically obesity was a luxuary. Who except the upper classes would even had the option of being fat as a life choice?

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        3. Chris Schumerth‏ @ChrisSchumerth Oct 12
          Replying to @Aktivarum @HPluckrose and

          It's kind of the opposite at the moment, don't you think? Being able to eat decent stuff and pay for a gym membership/go hiking, etc. is mostly outside of the milieu of the poor.

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        4. Erik Wedin (LiberalKonservativ)‏ @Aktivarum Oct 12
          Replying to @ChrisSchumerth @HPluckrose and

          I would argue you are correct but not about the poor. The poor seem not to be the ones obese. The ones obese seem to be children of lower middle-class/working class families who are not fat because they eat too much but because parents have too little time and fast food is chosen

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