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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Based Oracle  🐝

    I think a lot of it comes from men not saying they worry about getting attacked. It's not damaging to femininity for a woman to say she feels afraid when she encounters a strange man on a dark street but very damaging to masculinity for a man to say so.https://twitter.com/BasedTomas/status/1050465586092957696 …

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    i wonder how much of this mindset of "men dont worry about getting attacked" has to do with economic privilege. as someone who comes from a safe neighborhood i know i worry about it less than others.
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      2. Mike‏ @citation_needed Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Well, no. We don’t worry about getting attacked; it’s got a not-unreasonable chance of happening, and ain’t no-one coming to our rescue, so we just learn to live with it. And take up Krav Maga if we’re really concerned.

        4 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. PDX Selina‏ @SelinaDavis73 Oct 11
        Replying to @citation_needed @HPluckrose

        Was having a convo related to this recently. He was talking abt this time a drunk girlfriend mouthed off to some obvious gang-bangers, and how that suddenly meant *he* had a problem, as his risk of having to defend against physical attack had suddenly grown exponentially 1/

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. PDX Selina‏ @SelinaDavis73 Oct 11
        Replying to @SelinaDavis73 @citation_needed @HPluckrose

        A man can't show fear in a situation like that. If he shows fear, he's toast. I heed same warning to get safely away fr aggressive dogs. Something rather primal abt it. I'd never considered men might generally encounter such situations differently fr women tbh #femaleprivilege

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @SelinaDavis73 @citation_needed

        Yes, I realised this recently. On a train, some man, was going on at a teenage girl of about 14. About God. Loud & too close. Not overtly aggressive. I thought about intervening and wondered why they men weren't. I looked at them & saw they were all alert and watching indirectly.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SelinaDavis73 @citation_needed

        And then I thought if I went over there and told the man to back off and he got aggressive - he seemed volatile - I'd force an issue where one of them had to intervene and then there'd be a fight, so I waited & watched too. Then a seat came free & she sat & ppl closed round her.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SelinaDavis73 @citation_needed

        Then he got off. It was seeing that the men were ready to intervene but waiting until it became necessary - if the girl got upset or the man got aggressive - that made me realise a female privilege. I cld have brought abt an altercation but it wldn't have been me dealing with it

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SelinaDavis73 @citation_needed

        I talked about this with a male friend and he said that reasonable men will behave this way. Hold back. Try not to let a situation get to a tipping point where violence is inescapable. Some women can escalate a situation without thinking it through in that way.

        2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @SelinaDavis73 @citation_needed

        Because we don't tend to work that way. There isn't a tipping point where angry words inevitably become violence between women or between men and women. But there does seem to be some line with men & the sensible ones avoid stepping up to it.

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      2. Mom Folding Laundry‏ @JenandZen Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I’m opposed to notion that because women are scared, men should allowed to be scared, too. The truth is no one in america should be scared. This is a ridiculously safe country. Folks—men & women—need to toughen up & get some street smarts. It’s the safest place ever to exist.

        3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @JenandZen

        It's just an observation that when you're walking alone in the dark and someone is behind you, people's imaginations often do summon up worst case scenarios and this is not gender specific. Stranger attacks happen & minds leap to this, not statistical probabilities.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. Mom Folding Laundry‏ @JenandZen Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I recognise this. But I also think its important to point out that people feel this way because of the evening news. Not due to all that much real danger. Statistics arent dramatic, I know. But our culture could use more bravery, and less paranoia.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @JenandZen

        I think we feel that way because we are human! The significant thing is that its not only women who get the willies in the dark and this isn't an indication of a culture that oppresses women.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Mom Folding Laundry‏ @JenandZen Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Well, all people are scared of the dark. That’s quite natural. But we are expected to grow out of our fear as we get older and realize there’s nothing to be scared of.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @JenandZen

        I think you expect too much. Crime does happen. Its not crazy to be nervous when vulnerable. It just shouldn't be presented as a gendered living in fear coz male violence.

        3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      8. Mom Folding Laundry‏ @JenandZen Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I’m not sure if its expecting too much to think people should stop feeling vulnerable in sitatuions where they are not actually vulnerable. Take a self-defense course. Get counseling. If I cower every time I get a text message, that’s *my* issue and paranoia. Not the world’s.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 11
        Replying to @JenandZen

        I'm not saying to make it the worlds problem. I'm saying to recognise that both sexes can fear becoming the victim of crime.

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      2.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm a bloke. I genuinely do not fear for my physical safety. It's not because I've got a penis but because I live in an incredibly safe area. If I were walking around questionable neighbourhoods at night I probably would be a bit more concerned.

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      3.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Oct 11
        Replying to @Banned_Ali @HPluckrose

        I won't dismiss male ego as a motivator for claiming not to be afraid, but at a certain point you may have to consider that maybe, just maybe, not living your life in constant mortal terror is in fact the reasonable state of mind to be in.

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      1. White Chocolate‏ @rhodeislander Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Correct. Statistically, men are far more prone to be victims (as well as instigators) of violence, but we are not encouraged to admit to being afraid of violence. And honestly, I don't believe we should be.

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      1. Richard Jackson‏ @GerretJax Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it might be less about it being damaging to masculinity and more about people caring less. Men can't expect strangers to intervene so, we have to learn to deal with it. Team that with an evolutionary inclination towards risk and aggression and ???

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