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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

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    I don't think this is true. There is some evidence that men actually evaluate situations for potential violence more than women & that they read hostility in other men more than women do. They also have to engage in violence more than women do coz more likely to be attacked.https://twitter.com/kaylin08850/status/1050227985893220352 …

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    It may not be an overwhelming fear at all times; but I think most women live their lives with safety plans built in, because we have to. Men generally do not.
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      2. Based Oracle  🐝‏ @BasedTomas Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        i wonder how much of this mindset of "men dont worry about getting attacked" has to do with economic privilege. as someone who comes from a safe neighborhood i know i worry about it less than others.

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      3. Chris Corbett‏ @ChrisCorbett3 Oct 11
        Replying to @BasedTomas @HPluckrose

        Nope. I live in what is not considered a safe area in London. I've never worried about being attacked whatever area I happen to be in and I think few men do/

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Yosei, Pumpkin Fairy Prince of the Unseelie Court‏ @YoseiSovereign Oct 11
        Replying to @ChrisCorbett3 @BasedTomas @HPluckrose

        I always keep my hand on my pepper spray at night and I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood. If people think men are more confident, it’s because we’re trained not to admit fear.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Based Oracle  🐝‏ @BasedTomas Oct 11
        Replying to @YoseiSovereign @ChrisCorbett3 @HPluckrose

        also cant admit whats not considered. I think a lot of the cautions men take are so normalized we dont think of it as odd.

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      2. Spencer Davis  🦈‏ @SpiralShark Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Might there be a correlation there wrt the outrage over women's fear? This suggests that threat assesment is more natural for men, and so when women engage with it it's an uncomfortable experience that lingers with them after the event passes. Maybe?

        1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
      3. Kira Kroger‏ @KiraKroger Oct 10
        Replying to @SpiralShark @HPluckrose

        Interesting idea. My theory is that with the onslaught of "ripped from the headline" crime shows and women's obsession with murder mystery I'm wondering if brains have stopped distinguishing between fiction and reality.https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2018/07/why-do-you-love-murder-10-women-explain/amp/ …

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      4. Kira Kroger‏ @KiraKroger Oct 10
        Replying to @KiraKroger @SpiralShark @HPluckrose

        "I wanted to know everything about these victims—maybe if I knew enough about how they were killed, I thought, I could avoid their fate."

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      1. Stephan Ahonen‏ @ten_octaves Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        There's a gender role here. Men are used to the social norm that they are responsible for their own safety, and don't complain about it. Women are used to the social norm that it's society's job to ensure their safety, and complain about having to assume responsibility themselves

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      2. Hal Conick‏ @HalConick Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Every room I walk into, I look for an exit and make sure I can see it. I measure every man for threats. If someone is walking behind me, I turn, look, and smile or nod. It's less a greeting than an acknowledgment that I won't be snuck up on. Life in Chicago. We plan.

        1 reply 1 retweet 10 likes
      3. Sceptical Canuck‏ @Surrey_Atheist Oct 11
        Replying to @HalConick @HPluckrose

        Since I've begun hanging out with some police personnel recently in my life I've begun to take note of doors wherever I go. Looking back on my life of basically never getting into a scuffle, I yet size up every man in close proximity to me.

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      2. Muddy Mae Suggins‏ @meadowgroove Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Had this very conversation with my ex and his son last night. They both maintained that every single interaction between men was underwritten with potential violence if lines are crossed. Women simply don’t interact the same way. Not for the first time, I’d love to see what it..1

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      3. Muddy Mae Suggins‏ @meadowgroove Oct 11
        Replying to @meadowgroove @HPluckrose

        2...actually feels like to be a man for a day or a week, to see does it genuinely FEEL entirely different to be walking around in that world.

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      1. Tom Joyce‏ @atomicjoy Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Per the latest Crime Survey for England and Wales, last year 2.1% of men and 1.3% of women were victims of violent crime. And 74% of homicide victims were male.

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      2. Neurotic Owllie‏ @EternOwllie Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I've had more threatening experiences with women than men. One of which, and embarrassingly enough, I was the instigator during school, against a boy who verbally insulted a friend. I pinned him against a wall, and that was enough to scare him off. Not something I'm proud of.

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      3. Neurotic Owllie‏ @EternOwllie Oct 11
        Replying to @EternOwllie @HPluckrose

        Other times include having property stolen and broken by girls. Being threatened in the street by a girl when no one else was around. Having male friends and relatives that have had aggressive and even abusive girlfriends.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Neurotic Owllie‏ @EternOwllie Oct 11
        Replying to @EternOwllie @HPluckrose

        If I'm walking the streets and the place is eerily quiet, besides for one other person behind me, it doesn't matter their sex. If it feels like their attention is on me, I'll be nervous of their intentions regardless. Women can be just as aggressive and intimidating as men.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. Neurotic Owllie‏ @EternOwllie Oct 11
        Replying to @EternOwllie @HPluckrose

        Asked my mum, and she felt the same way. Strange women are just as intimidating as strange men.

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      2. Joshua Schwartz‏ @Metal_Crow Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Man here, and a fairly large and imposing one. Feel plenty of fear walking to my car alone on an empty street after a late concert. Any other individual in the dark I pass could mug me or stick a knife in me and I'd have no chance. I feel fear but I also know it is irrational.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Dunno Peris‏ @lyrycsync Oct 11
        Replying to @Metal_Crow @HPluckrose

        i think that's very personal. I'm a man and kinda large too and i almost never feel any fear anywhere. i notice some friends feel it much more than I do

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      1. Nasten'ka Unleashed‏ @piggy_toy Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Could be true because safety standard for women is higher. I mean, like, for men, some level of danger is "normal" and commonly acceptable, so nobody gives a damn, while for women, the environment is expected to be totally safe.

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