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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

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    This is a thing that really worries me about the woman-as-victim narrative. A few really lovely men on here have said to me that they didn't realise women lived their lives so afraid and it has really made them think. I don't think my friends and I are unique in not being afraid.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1050211859306041346 …

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    Replying to @LackOfBelief @mercedeslynz
    I wouldn't want you to think women generally live their lives being afraid of men violently attacking them. I don't know anyone who does this. OK, we can get nervous if out late alone and there's 1 man walking behind us but so do men & we're statistically safer than men.
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        I actually noticed an interesting thing when I was in Portland. I went for a walk alone late each night coz I do that and if I encountered a man, he very frequently made non-threatening signs at me. Crossed the road, slowed down if he was behind me, walked in a wide arc round me.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        It was very clear that the ones in Portland were conscious that they could be seen as a threat and wanted to signal their safety & decrease any anxiety I might be feeling. This seems to be a cultural thing. Men in London just keep walking to their destination at the same pace.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        Although I should say I was walking by the university campus so most of the men I passed were undergraduates and that could make a difference. I meant to tweet about it at the time.

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      1. Rukhsana Sukhan‏ @RukhsanaSukhan Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

        The woman-as-victim narrative is another one of those victimhood pride things. It’s an unfortunate fad, like bell bottoms and platform shoes were. Interesting how we think equality means women should be more like men, and at the same time victims.

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      1. ʞɔɒ|ᙠ Я ʏƚɿɘdi⅃‏ @LibertyRBlack Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I have three daughters, and I am a widow. There is no room for fear for us, and I have instilled in them their own resilience. Nonetheless, we still have reactions similar to men when strangers attempt to enter our house, but we never see men as enemies.

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      2. Hsaur‏ @HS_Saur Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In 1995, we were taught in Women’s Studies that men should actively cross the street to signal that they are not a threat. That was at the University of Oregon and Portland State, at least 2 minority studies classes were required for undergrads.

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      3. Hsaur‏ @HS_Saur Oct 10
        Replying to @HS_Saur @HPluckrose

        I agree it’s cultural, but to a specific set of west coast liberal undergrads in particular. men right now are now apologizing for never understanding how terrifying it is to be a woman. I’m not always afraid, so I find it strange to hear.

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      4. Hsaur‏ @HS_Saur Oct 10
        Replying to @HS_Saur @HPluckrose

        But I will say, growing up in Portland I did get more harrassement then I ever did living in Europe.

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      1. Lindsey Sharratt‏ @LindseySharratt Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        No, I don't think so either. The woman-as-victim narrative concerns me too. Would I take sensible precautions to mitigate risk? Of course. As do men.

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      2. Vesuvius‏ @HireVesuvius Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The narrative worries me because it's trying to tell people that the more they are afraid. The more they are justified in feeling that way. Fear can be irrational. Women being afraid isn't a good measure of how dangerous something actually is.

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      3. antihero_kate‏ @antihero_kate Oct 11
        Replying to @HireVesuvius @HPluckrose

        ^ this.

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      4. Clinton Hammond‏ @ClintonHammond Oct 11
        Replying to @antihero_kate @HireVesuvius @HPluckrose

        All The This!

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      1. Angie‏ @Grizzabella3 Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm not afraid, in general, either. When I am nervous it's typically something a man would also be nervous about. Ex: waiting for a bus alone at night and something rustles in a bush.

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      2. antihero_kate‏ @antihero_kate Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don’t live a life of fear. I think I take the same precautions anyone would.

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      2. carmina‏ @chris67mina Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

        Been raped twice, not sure how to pretend that I’m not afraid. I don’t walk alone after dark, especially if the streets are not busy. Yes, it will take awhile until a new generation of boys are told “ no means no”, and don’t blackmail a woman if you have power.

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      3. Paul Roundy‏ @PaulRoundy1 Oct 11
        Replying to @chris67mina @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

        Terrible what U experienced. Men who rape in US today likely have some kind of social disfunction disorder or lose their inhibitions due to 2 much alcohol. There R no good excuses. Most men wld never rape. I've tried to find evid that these courses chng rape stats. Does it exist?

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      4. Paul Roundy‏ @PaulRoundy1 Oct 11
        Replying to @PaulRoundy1 @chris67mina and

        http://psychopathology.imedpub.com/a-critical-review-of-sexual-violence-prevention-on-college-campuses.php?aid=9087 … Instead of trying to fix most men who are not broken, and who would act to stop an assault when they C 1, evidence based techniques should be applied to reduce rape.

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      5. carmina‏ @chris67mina Oct 14
        Replying to @PaulRoundy1 @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63

        I’m not trying to fix men that are not rapists. I’m trying to bring awareness. This is how most of us feet. We need to be better

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