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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted 4thWaveNow

    Hmmm. For once I agree with the gender critical feminists. Unlike them, I accept that trans people exist & usually know it from a very young age. But kids enjoying things kids of the others sex more commonly enjoy is not what being trans is. Most kids who do that are not trans.https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1050109569727385601 …

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    4thWaveNow @4th_WaveNow
    "But as Jackie grows, she doesn’t want to play those games. She wants to play with mud and be a super bug! Jackie also doesn’t like dresses or her long hair, and she would rather be called Jack." This is the crap being fed to 4-8 year old girls. https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1050038485808242688 …
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        My daughter is a girl who liked and still likes things more typically popular among boys. Video games. Football. Tech stuff. Geekdom. Refuses to wear skirts or make-up. She noticed this difference at about 5 & talked about it a lot until she was 12.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        The conclusion she came to and repeated often was 'I'm a girl but I'm not girly" and I think most of us who are not gender ideologues can understand the meaning of that. I disapprove of a book which teaches kids that children who have gender atypical interests are trans.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        Trans activists who support this are doing their cause an injustice. If this becomes a common narrative, the consequences are likely to be an increase in the number of kids who say they are trans followed by an increase in desistance thereby increasing scepticism of trans ID.

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      2. Kris Shaw‏ @the_shawkr Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I agree, this is not what trans is. But I think the problem stems (at least partly) from the failure of the trans community to embrace a coherent and intelligible account of trans identity (maybe because doing so requires tackling unsettling questions).

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10
        Replying to @the_shawkr

        And because most of them do not want to politicise their trans identity or draw attention to it.

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      1. #PeakFFS Wxman XX  🦈‏ @ShurelyNot Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Actually Helen, we do accept trans people exist. What we do not accept is that they *are* women and have an inalienable right to access to women’s spaces. And that they can shut down conjecture on these things.

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      2. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "gender critical feminists" aren't a monolith; we call ourselves "rational feminists" (see profile) for a reason. That said, trans-identified people most obviously "exist." Does this mean they are actually "born in the wrong body"? Debatable.

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      2. susan wright‏ @stevesuewright Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Since when have gender critical feminists not accepted that trans people exist?

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      3. Nessa‏ @the_wonderer Oct 10
        Replying to @stevesuewright @HPluckrose

        I want to ask this too. I've yet to see any evidence of this amongst the GC feminists I began following over the summer (because of proposed changes to the GRA). That sounds suspiciously like propaganda to me.

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      2. Dr Catherine lomas‏ @lomas_scot Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I sometimes wonder what would have happened if tom boy hated everything girly me had been born in time for the current choice taken

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      3. Dr Catherine lomas‏ @lomas_scot Oct 10
        Replying to @lomas_scot @HPluckrose

        To its ludicrous extremes era when people feel that they are heroes for ‘supporting’ the confusion of distressed young people

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      2. Nespresso‏ @Nespresso821 Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The problem with "most of them know it from a very young age" is that the large majority of those who "knew it at a very young age" (i.e. thought they were, or were "meant to be" the opposite sex) desist/grow out of those feelings.

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      2. extremism is a helluva drug‏ @mravantcentre Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Totally agree, and this is where I see the dangerous creep-in of rigid conservative gender roles again. Except this time it’s exponents are far leftists AND right wingers. Go figure...#2018

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      3. Michael  👍🏻={ 🏳️‍🌈,  👬}  👎🏻={ ✝️,  🐘,  🐸}‏ @KingOfInternet Oct 10
        Replying to @mravantcentre @HPluckrose

        No, it's just right-wingers!

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      4. extremism is a helluva drug‏ @mravantcentre Oct 10
        Replying to @KingOfInternet @HPluckrose

        So what is the basis, then, for labeling kids trans because they play with opposite gender toys etc. other than rigid gender roles?

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      1. Skull-shaped Shelter‏ @Khaos004 Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Love your writing. How do GC feminists not accept they exist? The debate I follow is about rights, because of course trans people exist.

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      1. jules‏ @honkshu Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Probably this generation of women will have grown up with even pop culture telling them the world hates them, that it sucks to be a woman, and at the same time telling them all their problems are solved if they “find out” they’re trans.

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      2. Cursed E, The Courtesy Bear  🐻‏ @notCursedE Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        doctors know the difference between gender non-conformity and clinically significant dysphoria. this is a red herring - don't give it credibility.

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