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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

      My timeline just got a lot more bearable by muting all the people waffling obscurantistly and completely beside the point. These are the ones who bother me the most because they're usually smart people who could engage substantively and valuably if they chose.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

      Instead, they slip & slide abt responding to alternative interpretations of straightforward statements & arguing it is plausible to interpret them this way or taking straightforward statements back to fundamental philosophical debates that can never be resolved on their own terms

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

      This is usually done to derail plainly spoken conversations about issues that are having a real impact on society right now. The key to this is to not engage with it or allow yourself to get taken off course into irresolvable abstractions.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

      This will result in being called 'anti-intellectual' but, in reality, people can apply their intellects to many different topics most effectively and it is perfectly reasonable to decide not to spend yours on obscure and irresolvable philosophical/theological/postmodern concepts.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

      If we want to know, say, how certain ideas about truth and knowledge have evolved over the last 50 years & are affecting society, we do not need to have solved the problem of accessing knowledge via human senses & brains or have read everything every philosopher ever said abt it.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

          Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Tricoteuse

          By contrast, this kind of "criticism" is much more bearable.https://twitter.com/TricoteuseToo/status/1050022076155916294 …

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        2. Non-Toxic Avenger 🗽 🍕‏ @Bugs_Meany Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Is there a cute, latin fallacy-name for "Reductio ad (interminable philosophical fapping)"? its a common defensive technique. people realize they're going to lose a debate on specifics, so they invoke an unanswerable, 'ad ignorantiam' intellectual black-hole topic

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        3. Your lady-bits are patriarchy, & I wanna smash it‏ @MEMESofVIOLENCE Oct 11
          Replying to @Bugs_Meany @HPluckrose

          Argumentum ad masturbor? Masturbatory Argument? Or are we talking more of a "Fuck you for demanding specifics, there's a forest, stop seeing the trees!" kind of thing?

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        4. Non-Toxic Avenger 🗽 🍕‏ @Bugs_Meany Oct 11
          Replying to @MEMESofVIOLENCE @HPluckrose

          In this case, i mean method of "rhetorically dodging specific criticism of crit-theory approaches, demanding critics weigh unrelated arguments of some obscure marxist goof; when critics say, 'who?', go, "Ah ha! i see you are unversed in the literatures!", stalks away victorious

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        5. Non-Toxic Avenger 🗽 🍕‏ @Bugs_Meany Oct 11
          Replying to @Bugs_Meany @MEMESofVIOLENCE @HPluckrose

          *footnote: to be clear, person B never specifies why goof-author is relevant to discussion: just name-drops and alludes to abstruse "other argument" as lever to derail/deflect away from tangible concerns; when people stay 'stick to topic', they declare everyone philistines

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        6. Non-Toxic Avenger 🗽 🍕‏ @Bugs_Meany Oct 11
          Replying to @Bugs_Meany @MEMESofVIOLENCE @HPluckrose

          **and this isn't necessarily the only form of thing i had in mind. there is also the "drop unresolvable philosophical question (A) into middle of fairly simple debate (B)"-thing, and pretend 'unless you can solve (A), it is impossible to determine anything at all about (B)'

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        7. Your lady-bits are patriarchy, & I wanna smash it‏ @MEMESofVIOLENCE Oct 11
          Replying to @Bugs_Meany @HPluckrose

          Ah, so you mean the invocations of Marcuse and Goddeimer, when the dicussion is about modern interpretations of critical theory? Or invocations of Butler's gender theory, in the same situation.

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        8. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy Oct 11
          Replying to @MEMESofVIOLENCE @Bugs_Meany @HPluckrose

          Argumentum ad wankendum

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        2. John of Salisbury, d.1180 AD‏ @SalisburyJohnof Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          If you try to diagnose a medical problem, you need a good grasp of medicine. If you try to diagnose an epistemological problem, you need a good grasp of epistemology.

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        3. John of Salisbury, d.1180 AD‏ @SalisburyJohnof Oct 10
          Replying to @SalisburyJohnof @HPluckrose

          Now I think it is possible to demonstrate the reality of the problem without the grasp of epistemology, as non-doctors can know illness when they see it. But you try to diagnose the problem.

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        1. Nathan D Smith 🦁‏ @WhatIsAuthority Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          too close to the page to function. sure it's challenging to read FN but jeez that dude was longwinded about saying a thing. Poets and Troubadours get the job done sooner better with less wasted paper!

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        1. Sean Geoghegan‏ @SeanGeoghegan Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Good point. So far I've classified these arguments down to at least two roots - Plato's Cave and Before the Big Bang. One dealing with mind, the other with material being (body). Is there another root of these types of reductionist arguments?

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        1. Jamie Dance... ghost?‏ @jdthndr Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Not just philosophical debates - you can also be sent down the catacombs of science, where if you don't have (for example) a fine grasp of climatology and an immediate answer to increasingly-tangential claims about algae you're considered to be a global warming sheeple.

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        1. Nathan D Smith 🦁‏ @WhatIsAuthority Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          At some point you have to put the books down and live the lessons. I like getting into deep convos but I find 2/3-3/4 of peeps are on the wrong side of the curve for that. I'm pretty sharp bit I still catch myself repeating stuff and realising that I haven't fully thought it thru

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        1. Colin Mills‏ @OxSoc Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I admire your patience.

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        1. John Buckoke‏ @JohnBuckoke Oct 10
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I don't have the time to read philosophical works; I'm very grateful to read your commentary here @HPluckrose

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