My timeline just got a lot more bearable by muting all the people waffling obscurantistly and completely beside the point. These are the ones who bother me the most because they're usually smart people who could engage substantively and valuably if they chose.
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By contrast, this kind of "criticism" is much more bearable.https://twitter.com/TricoteuseToo/status/1050022076155916294 …
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Is there a cute, latin fallacy-name for "Reductio ad (interminable philosophical fapping)"? its a common defensive technique. people realize they're going to lose a debate on specifics, so they invoke an unanswerable, 'ad ignorantiam' intellectual black-hole topic
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Argumentum ad masturbor? Masturbatory Argument? Or are we talking more of a "Fuck you for demanding specifics, there's a forest, stop seeing the trees!" kind of thing?
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In this case, i mean method of "rhetorically dodging specific criticism of crit-theory approaches, demanding critics weigh unrelated arguments of some obscure marxist goof; when critics say, 'who?', go, "Ah ha! i see you are unversed in the literatures!", stalks away victorious
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*footnote: to be clear, person B never specifies why goof-author is relevant to discussion: just name-drops and alludes to abstruse "other argument" as lever to derail/deflect away from tangible concerns; when people stay 'stick to topic', they declare everyone philistines
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**and this isn't necessarily the only form of thing i had in mind. there is also the "drop unresolvable philosophical question (A) into middle of fairly simple debate (B)"-thing, and pretend 'unless you can solve (A), it is impossible to determine anything at all about (B)'
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Ah, so you mean the invocations of Marcuse and Goddeimer, when the dicussion is about modern interpretations of critical theory? Or invocations of Butler's gender theory, in the same situation.
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Argumentum ad wankendum
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If you try to diagnose a medical problem, you need a good grasp of medicine. If you try to diagnose an epistemological problem, you need a good grasp of epistemology.
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Now I think it is possible to demonstrate the reality of the problem without the grasp of epistemology, as non-doctors can know illness when they see it. But you try to diagnose the problem.
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too close to the page to function. sure it's challenging to read FN but jeez that dude was longwinded about saying a thing. Poets and Troubadours get the job done sooner better with less wasted paper!
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Good point. So far I've classified these arguments down to at least two roots - Plato's Cave and Before the Big Bang. One dealing with mind, the other with material being (body). Is there another root of these types of reductionist arguments?
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Not just philosophical debates - you can also be sent down the catacombs of science, where if you don't have (for example) a fine grasp of climatology and an immediate answer to increasingly-tangential claims about algae you're considered to be a global warming sheeple.
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At some point you have to put the books down and live the lessons. I like getting into deep convos but I find 2/3-3/4 of peeps are on the wrong side of the curve for that. I'm pretty sharp bit I still catch myself repeating stuff and realising that I haven't fully thought it thru
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I admire your patience.
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I don't have the time to read philosophical works; I'm very grateful to read your commentary here
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