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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted John Q. Public

    That is precisely the point we are trying to show. These papers didn't get in because of carelessness or fluke. They got in because peer review genuinely favours these ideas & even requires them. We've been saying this for years and being accused of strawmanning identity studies.https://twitter.com/JohnQPublic100/status/1050046512233926656 …

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    John Q. Public @JohnQPublic100
    Replying to @HPluckrose
    One possible objection: What if the hoax is not actually a hoax? Just because you didn't believe it doesn't mean the papers are necessarily wrong. Consider it like a debating tournament. You debate something you don't believe. The arguments can still have truth and validity.
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        When academics respond to our terrible papers saying they are actually sound, this is very useful to us in demonstrating what we have been arguing about what values and epistemology this kind of scholarship actually values.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        Our papers do not show that it is bad to work on an epistemology which believes that knowledge is a construct of power perpetuated by discourse. It shows that this epistemology is perfectly acceptable and even required within certain subdisciplines.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

        Therefore, our papers will not have much impact on the people who know this is already happening and think it's great. We hope it will have some impact on the people, mostly liberal academics, who have been telling us this isn't really happening & scholarship is still rigorous.

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      2. John Q. Public‏ @JohnQPublic100 Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm not sure that's the current takeaway. And it's certainly more modest than Sokal who put in things that were demonstrable absurdities that should have been rejected on site. And if you falsified raw data that isn't something peer review normally tests.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10
        Replying to @JohnQPublic100

        Well, they should ask to look at data but they should also look at the conclusions being drawn from data and whether it is warranted. None of ours was. This matters when such things go into the canon of knowledge.

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      2. Disturbing Trends  *⃣‏ @DisturbTrends Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Now that's quite a thought. Papers intended to be nonsense and/or invalid could be correct because of bias in the editorial and acceptance process.

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      3. calderra‏ @calderra Oct 10
        Replying to @DisturbTrends @HPluckrose

        Literally the point. No but seriously- they were told in editing that their "dog park" paper had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of the journal, but were invited to edit it to become suitable for the journal, at which point they lauded it. Like wtf seriously?

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      1.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "Actually dog rape culture is a legitimate field of study" I have to admit I did not see that one coming, but I should've. It's not the first time feminists adopt a hoax tenet just to save face. Take Freebleeding for example.

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      1. Mark Schirmer‏ @MarkSchirmer4 Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That screaming you hear comes from the pain multiple academics feel from having their toes stepped on. Even if the toes were deliberately exposed to an intellectual chainsaw, as it were.

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      1. Gerard Clarke‏ @GerardJPClarke Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        ISTR that people reacted to Sokal thus. Some said that he was a fraud, a few said that they had twigged his paper was a spoof, and some even said "there's something in his paper". Loonytunes.

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