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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 10

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Dr Stealing your jobs, women & nuclear physicists

    Ask whatever questions you want. If you answer them ludicrously or with ideological bias rather than evidence and reasoned argument, expect your answers not to be given credibility.https://twitter.com/elmyra/status/1049989920801079296 …

    Helen Pluckrose added,

    Dr Stealing your jobs, women & nuclear physicists @elmyra
    So what Pluckrose, Lindsay and Boghossian are actually saying is that there is a whole set of research questions we should simply not be asking. Because they are "ludicrous" or "ideologically motivated".
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      2. Fullmetal Humanist  ⚜‏ @OneOnOne1162 Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'll admit, I find it hard to understand why these people do not get you guys' point. Science is the best tool for uncovering truth and advancing technology at an unprecedented rate because it's objective and fact-driven. Without that, it becomes just another empty vessel for...

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      3. Fullmetal Humanist  ⚜‏ @OneOnOne1162 Oct 10
        Replying to @OneOnOne1162 @HPluckrose

        he political squabbles of humans and it loses its ability to help us uncover truth. Something key to understanding and improving the world. For my money, I think what you guys did is incredibly valuable. The only way science can continue to do all the good it does for humanity...

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      4. Fullmetal Humanist  ⚜‏ @OneOnOne1162 Oct 10
        Replying to @OneOnOne1162 @HPluckrose

        is by exposing areas or disciplines where the search for truth and objectivity are being abandoned.

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      5. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 10
        Replying to @OneOnOne1162 @HPluckrose

        I think you’re 100% right, but they don’t support it because it doesn’t support their agenda, or the ludicrous claims they make!

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      1. Mike‏ @forthemwhatcare Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I remember a British journalist that liked the expression “so what you’re saying is” that became a meme. I thought we were all adult enough now to stop straw manning others...

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      1. Thomas Adamson‏ @tomthecamel2093 Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Helen, I have seen you tweet a few times about being disheartened by how fruitless your engagements with these people are. I can't speak for anyone else, but I love seeing your rationality pop up on my timeline regularly. Keep fighting the good fight!

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      1. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's that some ideas ideologies can't be theorized and tested if the author is willing to assume they're wrong. Grievance studies ideologies are beforehand assumed to be beyond reproach, are untestable in most cases, and, as we saw, unable to easily withstand peer review

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      2. Robert Bentley‏ @Rob_Bentley Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "So what you're saying" is almost always followed by some horrible misrepresentation of what someone is actually saying. Not to be confused with the generally more earnest question "*Are* you saying....?" (because it at least implies they're not making an assumption)

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      3. George Locke‏ @George_Facts Oct 11
        Replying to @Rob_Bentley @HPluckrose

        You understand that the quoted tweet is the conclusion of an argument, right? Or do you think it's always improper to argue that the stated aims of a political project and its real effects are different?

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      4. Robert Bentley‏ @Rob_Bentley Oct 11
        Replying to @George_Facts @HPluckrose

        Of course, but as evidenced by the quoted tweet they were unmistakably wrong. Their entire argument reached a false conclusion based on numerous assumptions and is another example of the unfortunately ubiquitous "So what you're saying is" strawman introduction mentioned above.

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      5. George Locke‏ @George_Facts Oct 11
        Replying to @Rob_Bentley @HPluckrose

        Thanks for your reply - but if they're wrong, it's not unmistakably so, since I've evidently made the mistake of agreeing. Can you point to one or more of the bad assumptions you mention?

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      6. Robert Bentley‏ @Rob_Bentley Oct 11
        Replying to @George_Facts @HPluckrose

        They're trying to say that Pluckrose et al believe that there's a whole set of questions they think shouldn't be asked. As already mentioned, it's not that there are whole categories of questions not to ask; but that the answers need more reason/evidence & less bias/agenda.

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      7. George Locke‏ @George_Facts Oct 11
        Replying to @Rob_Bentley @HPluckrose

        I thought you agreed that this was a conclusion and not an assumption?

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      8. Robert Bentley‏ @Rob_Bentley Oct 11
        Replying to @George_Facts @HPluckrose

        The false conclusion, like all others frequently seen after "So what you're saying is" came after numerous false assumptions. Behind the phrase "What you're saying..." all too often is a conclusion *already arrived at* followed by a charade.

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      1. George Locke‏ @George_Facts Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Is this supposed to be responsive to Popova's argument? Can someone explain to me what this has to do with that?

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      1. Oscar Emerson‏ @oscar_t_emerson Oct 11
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I love how vapid and inaccurate 99% of ideological thought is. Actually I hate it. That these people work in a university, and put public funds in their pocket in exchange for their "expertise" is a disgrace.

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      1. Jeremy Douglas‏ @Jeremy_Douglas Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

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      1. double good plus “Positionality" Ken‏ @RundleG Oct 10
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        No amount of special pleading will make irrational nonsense true or useful.

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      1. Based Oracle  🐝‏ @BasedTomas Oct 10
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I like how she lowkey thought some of your papers were good.

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