I'll admit, I find it hard to understand why these people do not get you guys' point. Science is the best tool for uncovering truth and advancing technology at an unprecedented rate because it's objective and fact-driven. Without that, it becomes just another empty vessel for...
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he political squabbles of humans and it loses its ability to help us uncover truth. Something key to understanding and improving the world. For my money, I think what you guys did is incredibly valuable. The only way science can continue to do all the good it does for humanity...
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is by exposing areas or disciplines where the search for truth and objectivity are being abandoned.
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I think you’re 100% right, but they don’t support it because it doesn’t support their agenda, or the ludicrous claims they make!
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I remember a British journalist that liked the expression “so what you’re saying is” that became a meme. I thought we were all adult enough now to stop straw manning others...
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Helen, I have seen you tweet a few times about being disheartened by how fruitless your engagements with these people are. I can't speak for anyone else, but I love seeing your rationality pop up on my timeline regularly. Keep fighting the good fight!
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It's that some ideas ideologies can't be theorized and tested if the author is willing to assume they're wrong. Grievance studies ideologies are beforehand assumed to be beyond reproach, are untestable in most cases, and, as we saw, unable to easily withstand peer review
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"So what you're saying" is almost always followed by some horrible misrepresentation of what someone is actually saying. Not to be confused with the generally more earnest question "*Are* you saying....?" (because it at least implies they're not making an assumption)
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You understand that the quoted tweet is the conclusion of an argument, right? Or do you think it's always improper to argue that the stated aims of a political project and its real effects are different?
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Of course, but as evidenced by the quoted tweet they were unmistakably wrong. Their entire argument reached a false conclusion based on numerous assumptions and is another example of the unfortunately ubiquitous "So what you're saying is" strawman introduction mentioned above.
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Thanks for your reply - but if they're wrong, it's not unmistakably so, since I've evidently made the mistake of agreeing. Can you point to one or more of the bad assumptions you mention?
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They're trying to say that Pluckrose et al believe that there's a whole set of questions they think shouldn't be asked. As already mentioned, it's not that there are whole categories of questions not to ask; but that the answers need more reason/evidence & less bias/agenda.
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I thought you agreed that this was a conclusion and not an assumption?
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The false conclusion, like all others frequently seen after "So what you're saying is" came after numerous false assumptions. Behind the phrase "What you're saying..." all too often is a conclusion *already arrived at* followed by a charade.
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Is this supposed to be responsive to Popova's argument? Can someone explain to me what this has to do with that?
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I love how vapid and inaccurate 99% of ideological thought is. Actually I hate it. That these people work in a university, and put public funds in their pocket in exchange for their "expertise" is a disgrace.
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No amount of special pleading will make irrational nonsense true or useful.
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I like how she lowkey thought some of your papers were good.
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