Just to clear up any confusion: I'm not here to delegitimize men's struggles. I'm just hoping that we can finally start legitimizing women's. Regardless of what you've decided about me, I'm not "anti-men". I am, however, super "pro-women". You should be too.
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What's strange about her pointing out the imbalance in (scary) difficulties women face that men often aren't aware of or acknowledge? Do you really think that feminism is more powerful an influence on people's lives than the male-dominated societies it criticizes?
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I'm not talking about male dominated societies and I don't think she is either. Talking about the US and the UK and yes, here I think there is much more attention on women's issues than men's. This kind of thing:pic.twitter.com/ZaorncaAzp
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1. Ok, thanks for responding. Hate to quibble with you (big fan of your writing), but I heard her song as pointing out that women are kind of scared a lot in ways that men don't really ever think about. I honestly think most men don't know this, still.
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I honestly don't think women are scared in lots of ways, generally. This is what I have seen most of my female tweeps responding to this anyway. It made me wonder if it works on the same principle as helicopter parenting.
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Because there are fewer risks now, we tend to focus on very unlikely things that could happen and overprotect. eg kids not allowed to walk to park and play alone coz kidnap possible. Some women saying theyre scared to open their front door coz could be a home invading rapist.
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Okay, this might be true. I will reconsider. Certainly agree with your point about helicopter parenting.
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I wouldn't want you to think women generally live their lives being afraid of men violently attacking them. I don't know anyone who does this. OK, we can get nervous if out late alone and there's 1 man walking behind us but so do men & we're statistically safer than men.
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We barely notice as we’ve been taught that’s how life is. My mom used to say it’s wrong you can’t run by yourself at night. But it’s still not safe.
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Feminism is the belief that women should have equality. Men’s rights is is the belief that we should not.
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Hey ghost - Fry would agree with me.
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That would make him wrong as well.
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That is not an argument.
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Mate you’re dealing with an out and out sexist piece of trash, don’t expect a coherent argument from her.
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One might say that, historically, society has focused on men's issues... but those issues were just called "issues".
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One could say that, but one would be wrong.
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So back in 1789 "the declaration of the rights of man and citizen" applied to women too? The "man" was "human" and didn't exclude anyone (e.g., women and slaves?).
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Are you going to rest your entire argument on that one point? Just making sure before I respond.
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Oh my. My entire argument. I haven't gotten that far. Give me a second to summarize my point (if I have one) into a sentence or two.
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You're the one who decided to select a magical moment from the breadth of human history. And yeah, I agree, it's insufficient to underwrite the point you were trying to make, so one wonders why say it in the first place.
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The thing I said was that traditionally, "issues" in general were really men's issues. The people making the decisions, the leaders, the legislators, were almost all men. When people talked about rights, it was the rights of (certain) men.
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An analogy might be the question "why isn't there a white history month?"- the answer is that traditionally white history was just "history" and things like "black history month" are an attempt to include things that have been traditionally ignored/downplayed/forgotten/dismissed
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