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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Giovanna Liviana  🖖🏻‏ @GiovannaLiviana Jun 9
      Replying to @GiovannaLiviana @miszminska @HPluckrose

      because its origin is not dependent on chromosomal sex. It is, however, biological, hardwired into the brain. And I mean brain, the physical organ, not some nebulous concept of mind. There have been a number of studies done in neurology and the like, hard sciences, which have

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    2. Giovanna Liviana  🖖🏻‏ @GiovannaLiviana Jun 9
      Replying to @GiovannaLiviana @miszminska @HPluckrose

      supplied sufficient evidence for the idea that there is such a thing as brain gender, that is gender identity. Some of these Studies have also provided evidence that gender identity does not always correspond with chromosomal sex. Exactly why this is so is still unknown, but here

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    3. Giovanna Liviana  🖖🏻‏ @GiovannaLiviana Jun 9
      Replying to @GiovannaLiviana @miszminska @HPluckrose

      is a page which has collected links to numerous studies in peer reviewed journals of hard science, which provide the evidence for not only brain gender, but also that gender identity is not coterminous with chromosomal sex: http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/transsexual-and-intersex-gender-identity.html?m=1 …

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    4. Giovanna Liviana  🖖🏻‏ @GiovannaLiviana Jun 9
      Replying to @GiovannaLiviana @miszminska @HPluckrose

      The fact that the word gender was originally a purely linguistic term is irrelevant. The word has been borrowed to describe something which we previously did not have scientific data for, that being gender identity. While a new word could undoubtedly have been coined, the word

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    5. Giovanna Liviana  🖖🏻‏ @GiovannaLiviana Jun 9
      Replying to @GiovannaLiviana @miszminska @HPluckrose

      gender was convenient, because, although in a linguistic sense, it doesn't necessarily have any connection at all with what we now call gender identity, there being words like Fräulein which is neuter gender, but obviously describes a young woman, there is *_some_* overlap.

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    6. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
      Replying to @GiovannaLiviana @HPluckrose

      "The one most people are actually concerned with, the one most people don't understand, is gender identity." - So now we should reduce men and women to gender identity and ignore biological sex?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

      Your response doesn't relate to the quoted statement in any way.

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    8. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

      Some trans woman on Twitter told me that I'm a woman, because I "identify myself as a woman", just like her and my female body, biology and sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

      You can survive this. Other people will always have different views to you and use different words.

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    10. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

      Well, if you believe that being a man or a woman is based purely on psychology and has nothing to do with anatomy, sexuality and reproduction then you can also believe in flat Earth.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

      I accept the science as it emerges. You can choose to define 'woman' purely by reproductive systems & ignore brains, hormones & genetics if you choose. These are the facts.

      5:40 AM - 9 Jun 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

          However, there are also the ethics. Mine are liberal which means I will defend your right to define 'woman' as widely or narrowly as you like and also other people's to disagree with you. You can survive people disagreeing with you or even being wrong.

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        3. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

          Sweet Jesus, you obviously aren’t even trying to understand my point.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

          Mine is different. I am essentially telling you to believe what you want and asking you not to go on about it to people who aren't interested and accept disagreement.

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        5. End of conversation
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        2. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

          And you can choose to define 'woman' purely by feelings, fashion choices and behavior. I pretty sure transgender women will love it!

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

          People can choose to do that too, yes. I said this about it which urges going with the science, addressing practical issues & leaving people alone: https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ … You can't force everyone to agree with you. I am not interested in having this discussion yet again.

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        4. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

          Rejection of logic and objective standards will bring chaos and nothing more. We can pretend that physical, sexual differences between two sexes don't exist, but inevitably we'll get smacked in the face by reality at some point.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @miszminska @GiovannaLiviana

          Again, you are not responding to anything that has been said. I am advocating going with the science. No-one is advocating pretending it doesn't exist. Go argue with people who do. I won't see any more of your tweets.

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        6. miszminska‏ @miszminska Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GiovannaLiviana

          "I'am advocating going with the science" - are u sure?

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