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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Lauren Southern

    Another confusion of the principle of free speech. Calling for you to be prosecuted or fired or suffer some kind of penalty for your associations would be a denial of it. Disliking your associations and saying so is not.https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/1005419931544924160 …

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    Lauren SouthernVerified account @Lauren_Southern
    You’ve become the SJWs you fought back in the gamergate days. “You took a picture with someone, that means you agree with everything they say and must be reprimanded” You may support “free speech” in theory but you’d happily outcast anyone who speaks w/ those you disagree with. https://twitter.com/cathyyoung63/status/1005288915329339393 …
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      2. Diego‏ @Diego_the_Artis Jun 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        Why is calling for you to be fired against your free speech/ free association? Are you entitled to your job?

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      3. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jun 9
        Replying to @Diego_the_Artis @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        No, but you should be able to express your opinion without fear of punishment. Being fired from a job is punishment.

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      4. Diego‏ @Diego_the_Artis Jun 9
        Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        So too would be disassociating with me. Do you have to be my friend if I say racist (or pick your poison) things?

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      5. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jun 9
        Replying to @Diego_the_Artis @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        No, you can be friends (or not) with whoever you want and you don’t have to justify it.

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      6. Diego‏ @Diego_the_Artis Jun 9
        Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        But I’m punishing them for their speech no?

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      7. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jun 9
        Replying to @Diego_the_Artis @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        You don’t become friends with someone as a reward, nor leave them as a punishment. (If you do, it’s not really a friendship) Friendship is a connection and if that connection breaks, it just breaks.

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      8. Diego‏ @Diego_the_Artis Jun 9
        Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        Okay, just disassociation then. We would spend time together do things blah blah blah. Then I say something you find gross and disassociate with me. Fear of others doing this to me dissuades me from speaking out in future.

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      9. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jun 9
        Replying to @Diego_the_Artis @HPluckrose @Integralmathyt

        Sure, and presumably you’d find new friend that share (or at least accept) your views. Nobody has a right to be liked, irrespective of free speech. We can only ask that people not be restrained in their activities on the basis on them expressing their views.

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      1. Michael  👍🏻={ 🏳️‍🌈,  👬}  👎🏻={ ✝️,  🐘,  🐸}‏ @KingOfInternet Jun 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        GamerGate is really one of the only things that Cathy Young got totally wrong IMO—in fact I don't even remember reading her article(s), but I assume they're wrong because they weren't anti-GG (or so I was told)!

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      1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies Jun 9
        Replying to @HPluckrose @M_Methuselah

        It really depends on the intention behind saying so (and the result). If the purpose is to impose a cost on someone to change future behavior, then it's reasonably construed as a punishment. Always be suspicious of people wanting to draw clear-cut boundaries on this issue.

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