Yes, I know the theory. How does it show this? ( Full disclosure: I'm actually writing a book about this at the moment so I do know the ideas) How does it work? How does it show we have not progressed but simply been dominated by an ideology? What are the measures?
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eg, how do they argue that the eradication of many diseases, vastly improved life expectancy, reduced infant mortality, vastly increased rights for women & ethnic & sexual minorities is the dominance of an ideology rather than legitimate progress. What would progress look like?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt
These first 3 aren't the things that get critiqued. The critique would sit at the junction where these improvements are not spread evenly due to structural prejudices. That form of critique is actually partly responsible for the second lot of progress examples.
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Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt
They are things which are posited as 'progress' tho and undermining science probably won't help that. Also, no, The Civil Rights Movement, Gay Pride & 2nd Wave Liberal Feminism happened before postmodernism & were driven by universal liberalism which PoMo rejects.
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I actually have to go and work but you're making a lot of the same defences of PoMo as a piece I recently edited for Areo. I also responded to it in Areo:https://areomagazine.com/2018/04/28/skepticism-is-necessary-in-our-post-truth-age-postmodernism-is-not/ …
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt
No worries. Thanks for directing me to the article, I'll take a read and get back to you. I'm not adverse to thoughtful discussion on the topic. My issue lies with the current characterisations of Po Mo which are resulting in hyperbole and misunderstandings about the ideas.
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Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt
Thanks. Yes, mine too. I will soon writing something to address the 'postmodernism is neo-Marxism' nonsense. There are valid & invalid, informed & uninformed criticisms of postmodernism as a set of skeptical approaches to grand narratives. I ultimately think there are better ones
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Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt
Hehe, yeah I got involved in one of those conversations the other day, the idea makes no sense when the ideas are actually considered. For sure! I'm not actually a postmodernist. But I study atheists and I've seen a fall towards very uninformed arguments about Po Mo recently.
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Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt
Well, I am one who is trying to fix this. I have already written three long essays about it, taken part in some talks and debates and have just begun a book on the topic so if anyone remains uninformed, it will not be through my lack of effort.
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But I don't think this is particularly an atheistic thing. The 'PoMo as cultural Marxism' argument is a conservative one designed to conflate the two enemies - the economic left & the identitarian left - and atheists lean more left than almost everyone else.
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This is grasped at by sincere people who just want to understand what is going on & PoMo as it actually is is confusing. Also, criticism of PoMo is now all mixed up with biblical bible stories & Jungian woo by someone who says atheists don't exist so can't blame us for that. ;-)
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