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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @alangnixon @colwight and

      But what is the method? Science itself is a method for undermining faulty truth claims particularly its own. Its methods are falsification, peer review, requirement for replication, rewarding discovery of error, regarding all findings as provisional. How does PoMo go about this?

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    2. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @colwight and

      The method (although diverse and I can't do it justice here) is most often associated with uncovering the ways in which language is used to hide ideology. Often applied to concepts like 'progress', which too often in modernity, actually meant domination by a particular ideology.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

      Yes, I know the theory. How does it show this? ( Full disclosure: I'm actually writing a book about this at the moment so I do know the ideas) How does it work? How does it show we have not progressed but simply been dominated by an ideology? What are the measures?

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

      eg, how do they argue that the eradication of many diseases, vastly improved life expectancy, reduced infant mortality, vastly increased rights for women & ethnic & sexual minorities is the dominance of an ideology rather than legitimate progress. What would progress look like?

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    5. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      These first 3 aren't the things that get critiqued. The critique would sit at the junction where these improvements are not spread evenly due to structural prejudices. That form of critique is actually partly responsible for the second lot of progress examples.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

      They are things which are posited as 'progress' tho and undermining science probably won't help that. Also, no, The Civil Rights Movement, Gay Pride & 2nd Wave Liberal Feminism happened before postmodernism & were driven by universal liberalism which PoMo rejects.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

      I actually have to go and work but you're making a lot of the same defences of PoMo as a piece I recently edited for Areo. I also responded to it in Areo:https://areomagazine.com/2018/04/28/skepticism-is-necessary-in-our-post-truth-age-postmodernism-is-not/ …

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    8. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      No worries. Thanks for directing me to the article, I'll take a read and get back to you. I'm not adverse to thoughtful discussion on the topic. My issue lies with the current characterisations of Po Mo which are resulting in hyperbole and misunderstandings about the ideas.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

      Thanks. Yes, mine too. I will soon writing something to address the 'postmodernism is neo-Marxism' nonsense. There are valid & invalid, informed & uninformed criticisms of postmodernism as a set of skeptical approaches to grand narratives. I ultimately think there are better ones

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    10. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

      Hehe, yeah I got involved in one of those conversations the other day, the idea makes no sense when the ideas are actually considered. For sure! I'm not actually a postmodernist. But I study atheists and I've seen a fall towards very uninformed arguments about Po Mo recently.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
      Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

      Well, I am one who is trying to fix this. I have already written three long essays about it, taken part in some talks and debates and have just begun a book on the topic so if anyone remains uninformed, it will not be through my lack of effort.

      4:01 AM - 9 Jun 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

          But I don't think this is particularly an atheistic thing. The 'PoMo as cultural Marxism' argument is a conservative one designed to conflate the two enemies - the economic left & the identitarian left - and atheists lean more left than almost everyone else.

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        3. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          No, definitely not! I just expect more of atheists, which I know isn't a fair nor reasonable expectation. Data on atheists also shows most atheists are left leaning, but there is an increasingly vocal right leaning section and they are making dubious allies in many circles.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

          Yes. They are bound to be fairly politically diverse. I'm not sure how useful it is to consider the right-wing ones with dubious allies in terms of their atheism nor do I consider atheists to be a community so I'm not inclined to 'collect my own' like I am with liberal-lefties.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

          But the 'New Atheists/Skeptics' group were my people so I have addressed how I think that form of critique should be expanded & it is against the irrationalisms and illiberalisms of the far-left or far-right.https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/15/where-now-for-new-atheists/ …

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        6. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Thanks. I've read this before, so I have seen and catalogued your articles (just checked my database), but I'll take another look before I continue our earlier discussion.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

          I will be interested in the results of your research. Now following but I often miss lots of tweets so if manage to remember to tell me when you publish something, that would be great.

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        8. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          No problems, I have a few out already, but they tend to be in academic books, which aren't cheap or accessible. If you pm me a place to send, I'll see what I can do for you.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

          I can't. You don't follow me.

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        2. Dr Alan Nixon‏ @alangnixon Jun 9
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Great! I'd love to read the articles/listen to the talks if you can give me some links/references, and I'd be very interested in the book when it comes out.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 9
          Replying to @alangnixon @GodDoesnt

          Ignore clickbaity title. Introduction.https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/ … Development https://areomagazine.com/2018/02/07/no-postmodernism-is-not-dead-and-other-misconceptions/ … Talks: https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ … https://conatusnews.com/academic-roots-post-truth-society/ … Podcast: https://art19.com/shows/here-we-are/episodes/35614d58-3490-4456-8b6b-44b97523f3b5 … Book will have space for the good bits, mad bits & illiberal bits.

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