Right. If there is no external reality to which the feeling corresponds, it is meaningless. (If you are going to say that it has the meaning you give it, that's just a matter of you playing make-believe, and you can stop any time you want to.)
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Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty
I don't know what you mean. The combination of feelings experienced inside an individual in relation to the thing being experienced is what we all experience when we feel, eg love. We might also give this an extra layer of meaning - religious, philosophical, poetic etc.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty
An alternative possibility is that (e.g.) your love for your child reflected a reality external to yourself that your child was good, and your feeling was merely a recognition of this objectively true reality.
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Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty
Objectively to what? The universe doesn't care about human babies. If a god exists, it could be positive, negative or indifferent to human babies but whichever it was, it would necessarily be subjective to that god. My love exists regardless & matters more.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty
That's some impressive narcissism there. Anyway, I don't think I'll be able to explain what I mean to you.
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Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty
Narcissism because I'll love my child because its my child and not because she and I are important to the almighty creator of the universe? Hmmm. I'll keep it simple.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty
Because your feelings matter more than reality.
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Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty
My feelings are the subject under discussion, remember? My love for my child is the reality of my feelings. You posit that a god also exists which is a meaning you have added to those feelings. Other people add other gods or philosophical or poetic meaning.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty
No, they're not. What's under discussion is whether they have any objective meaning or are purely a subjective experience and thus interchangeable with anything else that produces the same subjective experience, regardless of reality.
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Christopher Lansdown Retweeted Helen Pluckrose
And you explicitly said that your feelings matter more than objective reality.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1005181775667187713 …
Christopher Lansdown added,
Helen Pluckrose @HPluckroseReplying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalantyObjectively to what? The universe doesn't care about human babies. If a god exists, it could be positive, negative or indifferent to human babies but whichever it was, it would necessarily be subjective to that god. My love exists regardless & matters more.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
When it comes to my feelings, yes. My feelings for my child matter more to me than how anyone or anything else feels about my child. If the universe is indifferent or the consensus of all thinking beings was that my child did not deserve love, I would still love her.
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