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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 8

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Christopher Lansdown

      I've always thought this a strange argument. Knowing how we feel the most positive of emotions means they're not real? Very odd. Does this mean that a beautiful vista stops being beautiful if we know our eyes work?https://twitter.com/ctlansdown/status/1004328190180020224 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Christopher Lansdown @ctlansdown
      When I Feel Sorriest For Atheists http://blog.chrislansdown.com/2018/06/06/when-i-feel-sorriest-for-atheists/ …
      5 replies 1 retweet 19 likes
    2. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      They're real in the sense that they exist, but within the materialist/physicalist/naturalistic framework, they not different in kind from the positive emotions you get from, say, heroin. They exist, but have no significance beyond their existence and the enjoyment of them.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
      Replying to @ctlansdown @HPluckrose

      That is to say, under that framework, the emotions only say something about the one experiencing them, not about the world outside of him.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Matt‏ @MatthewGalanty Jun 8
      Replying to @ctlansdown @HPluckrose

      Does the love you feel for your family not matter bc that love in actually is simply the felt response you get when the chemical oxytocin does its thing in your brain?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
      Replying to @MatthewGalanty @HPluckrose

      Right. If there is no external reality to which the feeling corresponds, it is meaningless. (If you are going to say that it has the meaning you give it, that's just a matter of you playing make-believe, and you can stop any time you want to.)

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 8
      Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty

      I don't know what you mean. The combination of feelings experienced inside an individual in relation to the thing being experienced is what we all experience when we feel, eg love. We might also give this an extra layer of meaning - religious, philosophical, poetic etc.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty

      An alternative possibility is that (e.g.) your love for your child reflected a reality external to yourself that your child was good, and your feeling was merely a recognition of this objectively true reality.

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    8. Matt‏ @MatthewGalanty Jun 8
      Replying to @ctlansdown @HPluckrose

      Your love for your child is a reflection of an external and obectively true reality, regardless if you believe in Allah, God, or The Buddha.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 8
      Replying to @MatthewGalanty @ctlansdown

      Yeah. Don't make your love conditional on what you think a god wants you to feel about your children. You know your love is real & powerful & strong but ppl have killed & abandoned loved ones due to religious zealotry before. Don't let it poison what is real.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty

      You should really learn some history before spouting off in public. People have killed their own children in truly enormous quantities for entirely secular reasons.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 8
      Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty

      Try to remain civil. Yes. Don't do that either. The fact that people have killed children for non-religious reasons does not change the point that it would be a bad idea to make your love & duty of care to your child dependent on what you believed a god wanted you to do with it.

      1:24 PM - 8 Jun 2018
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        2. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty

          If you want me to remain civil, then don't slander religion in public in egregiously ignorant or dishonest ways.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 8
          Replying to @ctlansdown @MatthewGalanty

          I will just go away if you can't remain civil if people say things you don't like about religion.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Christopher Lansdown‏ @ctlansdown Jun 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @MatthewGalanty

          Are you under the misimpression that I want to converse with you? I don't respect you or like you or care what you think. I was answering your questions out of a sense of duty. Please feel very free to get out of my mentions, random person who intruded into them uninvited.

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