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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      Well, we do all think there is a quasi-religious zealotry going on right now which is troubling but we all support liberal aims for gender/racial/LGBT equality. We critique the extremes on both sides. James and I wrote this one:https://areomagazine.com/2017/08/22/a-manifesto-against-the-enemies-of-modernity/ …

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    2. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      Extremes are are one thing but (so far in the video) I'm not hearing any examples of reasonable foils on the other side who aren't "filling a church" when it comes to contemporary scholarship. This strikes me as a problem given the audience of young conservatives...

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      I think we'd consider ourselves that!

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    4. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      I suspect there are other reasonable peopke who disagree with you.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      Yes, but if they disagree with me on the issues & values I hold, I can't coherently consider them reasonable on those issues & values. If I did, I'd change my own to them & we'd no longer be in disagreement. I could find them reasonable more broadly if we disagree on one thing.

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    6. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      We disagree. I take it we are able to do so because of reasonableness and not despite it.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      I have not heard any arguments from you for intersectionality. I have no idea what your reasoning abilities are like. So far, I only know that you are polite and have not said anything unreasonable.

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    8. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      I agree with Crenshaw's use of the term. I think it misleading to paint it as an ideology invading humanities departments. I think social justice and identity politics ought not be used as derisive descriptions--and that being unreasonable and irrational are different things.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      OK, then we disagree. I don't think politics linked to postmodern theory is the way to go and that universality should be abandoned for group identity. I've written several essays on how it's invading universities & the last time I spoke at one about it, I got protested.

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    10. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      I'm not a postmodernist, It's possible to take intersectionality seriously without abandoning liberalism. Again, I'm literally on a watchlist created by a conservative group sponsoring at least one of your events on a university campus.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      OK, but Crenshaw was and this permeates intersectionality. If you have a liberal version of it, it's probably similar to the one I posited in my conclusion.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

          Again, your being on a Turning Point watchlist might tell us something about them or something about you or both but it doesn't tell us whether intersectionality is taking on a quasi-religious status in parts of society & especially in academia.

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        3. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

          What it tells us is that it's possible to cherry pick examples of intolerance, and dissinformation, in both directions.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
          Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

          Huh? We certainly know that that is possible & also common.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

          We wrote a whole thing about that and how it triggers existential polarisation.https://areomagazine.com/2017/08/22/a-manifesto-against-the-enemies-of-modernity/ …

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        6. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

          This is all very well and good, but it isn't true that what you call postmosernism has "invaded" universities, a claim at tension with your claim that the "postmodern" left is a fringr minority. Furthermore you seem to imply that theorists tou disagree with shouldn't be taught.

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        7. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 7
          Replying to @LTorcello @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

          It is this hostility to intellectual opponents that I disagree with and find to be no less a forn of "moral panic" than the "identity politics" scourge you claim has invaded universities. I'll let this be my last word on where we disagree. I'm sure we agree on much else.

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        8. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 7
          Replying to @LTorcello @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

          Perhaps we can also agree Twitter would be improved with some form of mechanism to edit typos.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
          Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

          Indeed! I am completely on board with civil disagreement but I also think we need to argue for and against ideas vigorously.

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