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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      I don't know when reading an opposing view point in its most charitable light became bad argumentative practice. I do know that doing so amplifies those who aren't being careful with definitions and concepts while spreading more heat than light.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      It's not but while you are providing the most charitable reading of the foundational documents of intersectionality or Islam or Marxism or whatever, other people are dealing with the reality of ideology in practice. It still does to be charitable when talking to any individual.

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    3. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      You can do both. I can critique someone's interpretation, or misinterpretation, of a concept while doing justice to that concept. This is my responsibility as a liberal. I don't think using "Identity Politics" as a synonym for relativism, or "SJW" as a slur ever helps.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      Yes and I think I do. I explain intersectionality very charitably here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AvyqUOKhGA … I break down Crenshaw's foundational essays here: http://helenpluckroseblogs.blogspot.com/2017/02/extract-from-essay-of-mine-which-breaks.html … And the book I am currently writing on the subject starts with the good.

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    5. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      Thanks for sharing, Helen. I'll try to watch this whole thing when I can. You, in particular, seem more charitable than your panel partners so far. I'm struck by how quickly things have gone from critique to castigating opponents as religious zealots in conspiratorial tones.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      Well, we do all think there is a quasi-religious zealotry going on right now which is troubling but we all support liberal aims for gender/racial/LGBT equality. We critique the extremes on both sides. James and I wrote this one:https://areomagazine.com/2017/08/22/a-manifesto-against-the-enemies-of-modernity/ …

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    7. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      Extremes are are one thing but (so far in the video) I'm not hearing any examples of reasonable foils on the other side who aren't "filling a church" when it comes to contemporary scholarship. This strikes me as a problem given the audience of young conservatives...

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      I think we'd consider ourselves that!

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 6
      Replying to @HPluckrose @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      But if you know of anyone who uses intersectionality & associated concepts of diversity, inclusion etc in a reasonable & rigorous way which includes the value of shared humanity & individuality and viewpoint diversity, please do highlight them to me.

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    10. Lawrence Torcello‏ @LTorcello Jun 7
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JeremyPhilosoph

      Your question above is why I referred you to the Oxford handbook.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
      Replying to @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

      Which essay does this?

      3:14 AM - 7 Jun 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

          I would genuinely love to find an intersectional or critical race theorist who takes a humanistic approach, supports individuality and sees diversity & inclusion in terms of viewpoints rather than immutable characteristics. Generally, they don't & explain why very explicitly.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 7
          Replying to @HPluckrose @LTorcello @JeremyPhilosoph

          See, for example, Crenshaw, Laude, hooks, Coates, Hill, Wolf, Bailey, Medina, DiAngelo, Dotson, Applebaum, Mills, Boler, Davies, McIntyre, Ahmed & Sullivan, who all take the standpoint epistemology & identity politics approach which I am disagreeing with.

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