It is incoherent to expect me to be able to name people who disagree with me reasonably on issues & values. When I find someone's objection to my reasoning reasonable, I change my own mind on the issue & we are no longer in disagreement.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
This may not work too well for moral disagreements though, where moral intuitions play a very big role. Basically what
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Replying to @ashishkjames99 @JonHaidt
Jon Haidt is how we know the intuitions that underlie our own motivated reasoning & other people's & why reasoning is hard & needs to be done collectively including viewpoint diversity. This doesn't change the incoherence of that expectation tho.
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I accept that we fail to reason consistently alone & have argued it here, https://areomagazine.com/2017/12/08/the-problem-with-truth-and-reason-in-a-post-truth-society/ … but a demand to be able to show that one disagrees with arguments that are reasonable is incoherent. You show that I do. Obviously, I don't think I do.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @JonHaidt
I'm not sure what the original context of your tweet was. While I get where you're coming from, I'm not entirely convinced. An argument can be reasonable within the constraints of its own axioms. A counter-argument often comes from a different set of axioms. (1)
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While reason is used to alter and inform these axioms, doing so is a process of appealing to our intuitions. I agree that reason is the best way to come to an agreement on these intuitive axioms, especially as a group. (2)
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That said, it's not obvious to me that one can make arguments, no matter how well informed, that will necessarily appeal to all moral frameworks. (3)
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This is why I think it's possible that some of the people who disagree with me may hold their positions in good faith using reasons that are more or less consistent with their moral intuitions. (4)
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Yes, this is undeniable
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