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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @SamHarrisOrg and

      *sigh* *muting this conversation because the lies, misrepresentations and strawmen have begun*. RIDICULOUS.

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    2. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @IonaItalia @SamHarrisOrg and

      Feel free to point one out.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @SamHarrisOrg and

      You just did, mate.

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    4. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @IonaItalia @SamHarrisOrg and

      Which one? He did defend Murray. He wrote an essay called "In Defense of Torture" wherein he defended torture. He did show his ass with Chomsky. Which part is innacurate?

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    5. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @SamHarrisOrg and

      All of it. And you know it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. J.M. Bee‏ @j_em_bee Jun 5
      Replying to @IonaItalia @doubtthat11 and

      Actually, Iona, I think you are avoiding the fact that Harris, though brilliant, has taken a good many right-wing positions. You're better off dealing w/ these & criticizing him for them than you are pretending he hasn't done so. Start w/ his position on Israel.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
      Replying to @j_em_bee @IonaItalia and

      What "right wing positions"? I've never seen Sam take a position that could be easily pigeon holed as either right or left wing. For example, on guns he's hated by both the NRA types and gun control advocates....

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @AtticusOz @j_em_bee and

      Haha, we just discussed one. He defended Charles Murray's position on IQ and genetics. You also have torture. His position on Israel is right wing. He entire foreign policy gibberish is right wing. He has non-right wing positions, but those he has are highly offensive.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @j_em_bee and

      What is Charles Murray's position on IQ and genetics? Did you listen to it?

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    10. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose @j_em_bee and

      Yeah, feel free to read the 4000 tweets on this thread about that.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @j_em_bee and

      And you think there's something to criticise about the view that there's no evidence genetics cause IQ differences and individuality and not race matters?

      4:43 PM - 5 Jun 2018
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        2. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @j_em_bee and

          What? That is the exact position I'm arguing: there is no evidence that genetics - rather than environmental factors - explains the gap. Charles Murray and Harris defending him hold the position that genetics explains the gap.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @j_em_bee and

          Show me. In the interview he says that genetics has not been established as the cause of repeated data showing difference and argues that individuality matters more than race citing Obama as an example of why racist stereotyping re intelligence doesn't work.

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        4. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @j_em_bee and

          "We’re not talking about another 20 years before the purely environmental position is discredited, but probably less than a decade." Talking about the gap. http://www.aei.org/publication/bell-curve-20-years-later-qa-charles-murray/ … Charles Murray believes black people are, on average, genetically inferior to white people.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @j_em_bee and

          Interesting. Not what is said in the podcast. Nevertheless, do you think this shld never be discussed? What if IQ does vary by race/ethnicity with Asians & Jews at the top, whites in the middle & Africans at the bottom? Tells us nothing about any individual. Shld it be forbidden?

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        6. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @j_em_bee and

          Charles Murray has built his entire career on this. It is being discussed. Lots of people study this constantly, which is how we know about the Flynn effect and such. We can deal with that issue when and if it is proven.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @j_em_bee and

          Nah. It's one chapter of his book and after including race in his exploration of IQ, he was persona non grata everywhere.

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        8. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @j_em_bee and

          He really wasn't. The guy has had a high profile career for decades: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/10/17182692/bell-curve-charles-murray-policy-wrong … The Bell Curve is a policy treatise arguing that IQ survey data justifies social policies limiting reproduction among poor people and immigrants. It is a gross, disgusing book.

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