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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 4

      AtticusOz Retweeted MeaningofLife.tv

      I'm a "follower" of @SamHarrisOrg and Christopher Hitchens and I loathe the AltRight. As do most of the Harris & Hitchens fans I know. @ContraPoints is over-generalisng here to an almost bigoted extent.https://twitter.com/MeaningLifeTV/status/1002360142753648640 …

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      Where did New Atheism go wrong? @ContraPoints explains how followers of Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens found a home in the alt-right. w/ @williamrblack http://meaningoflife.tv/videos/40275?in=35:14 … pic.twitter.com/iPHdNBhMMZ
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    2. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @AtticusOz @SamHarrisOrg @ContraPoints

      I don't know anyone I would describe as liberal (as opposed to "classical liberal" or whatever euphemism for "doofus" they prefer) who defends most of Harris' nonsense, or Hitchens war-mongering that flirted with racism.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @SamHarrisOrg @ContraPoints

      I'm a liberal, and not a "classical liberal" (i.e. a libertarian) but a real liberal social democratic Krugman fan, and I defend Sam Harris. See also @GodDoesnt, @HPluckrose, @IonaItalia, etc...

      4 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
    4. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @AtticusOz @SamHarrisOrg and

      Then you are the outlier. What do you defend Harris on? The race/IQ shit? Torture? The exchange he had with Chomsky?

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @SamHarrisOrg and

      I've put my view on race /IQ in other tweets. He's right about Islam, especially after his collaboration with @MaajidNawaz. He gets the principle right on torture, but is naive about the practical realities. Chomsky is a dishonest genocide denier and an intellectual fraud.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
      Replying to @AtticusOz @SamHarrisOrg and

      What would that torture principle be? There is no justification for torture. His essay is immoral garbage.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
      Replying to @doubtthat11 @SamHarrisOrg and

      Actually, even the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy has virtually the same position as Sam. There are very rare cases where torture is morally justified. My problem with Sam is that he underestimates the way allowing torture would be abused, the same way the death penalty is.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AtticusOz @doubtthat11 and

      Sam's thought experiment asks if you'd sanction torture if you knew it'd work & by hurting 1 person intending harm, you'd save the lives of hundreds of innocents. The 'no' reaction is interesting considering ppl don't feel the same abt shooting someone abt to do a school shooting

      4:38 PM - 5 Jun 2018
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        2. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose @SamHarrisOrg and

          I would say that's a really stupid fucking question because not only do we not know whether it would work (a lot of things make sense with omnipotence) but we know torture does the opposite: yeilds bad information.

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        3. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @HPluckrose and

          We know the circumstances under which torture works: whenever you can quickly and easily verify the information given. E.g. bank robber demanding a vault combination from a bank manager. Cop demanding child's location from kidnapper. Etc.

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        4. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @AtticusOz @HPluckrose and

          Have some examples of torture "working"? Some case studies would be good, or even a broader study.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @HPluckrose and

          Multiple cases of cops torturing the location of kidnap victims out of paedo kidnappers, most recently just the threat worked in Germany (though too late, the kid was dead by the time the cops got there). Also the famous baby-in-the-car case in the Stanford Encyclopedia.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @AtticusOz @HPluckrose and

          Feel free to link just one.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @HPluckrose and

          Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosopher try on Torture. Read it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. doubtthat‏ @doubtthat11 Jun 5
          Replying to @AtticusOz @HPluckrose and

          I actually have. Here it is: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/torture/ … Which part did you find compelling?

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        9. AtticusOz‏ @AtticusOz Jun 5
          Replying to @doubtthat11 @HPluckrose and

          The New Zealand baby-in-the-stolen-car example.

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