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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      It is a bit more complicated than that. Several studies showing different things. It is a fact that some people feel the opposite sex to their gonads and science is starting to show why this might be. Nobody should be forcibly classified as anything.

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    2. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yes more complex as we're dealing with the human brain, but unless you subscribe to men and women being universally and fundamentally different psychologically, there is no way one can feel like one sex or the other. Should there not be an objective definition for men and women?

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      Yes, but we don't know what it is yet. We will probably end up with a load of different figures, bimodal and scaled to do with gonads, chromosomes, genes, brains and hormones that denote femaleness & maleness and will then understand why some ppl don't feel same sex as gonads.

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    4. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Brain science will never be clear cut, so this is basically saying there will be no real definition for men and women but rather a gender spectrum based on distributions along curves. Why not just categorize by sex but support people dressing/behaving how they want anyway?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      Or just let people decide whether to categorize by sex or by the other person's gender identity? You'd probably do the former and I the latter.

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    6. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Well this is still saying that there would be no objective, agreed-upon definition for men and women. So what use would the terms be at all? They could be discarded and only biological sex differentiated.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      How could they? This would require expecting people who are happy to call someone the gender they feel they are because it makes them feel recognised and doesn't harm them at all, to not do that. I'd oppose this as strongly as forcing ppl to use pronouns they don't believe in.

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    8. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I guess I feel that gender as separate from biological sex is ultimately a meaningless concept except in reference to arbitrary societal norms, and that it doesn't make sense to categorize individuals based on such a concept, especially since no one conforms wholly to these norms

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      Yes, and I support your right to feel that and say so. Other people don't feel that and will continue to think in terms of gender as separate from sex and continue to be happy to identify as they wish to be identified. This is why I come down ultimately to the freedom issue.

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    10. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      You mean there should be no set definition of gender and each person should define it in one's own way? I certainly support people behaving as they wish, but it seems important to me for things to be defined in concrete ways to facilitate discussion and scientific investigation.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      It'd be lovely if everyone agreed about this. They don't tho.

      2:29 PM - 5 Jun 2018
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        2. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          But you see a person's gender as separate from their sex? I would like to understand this concept but when I try to follow the logic of it I just hit a tangle of paradoxes. It doesn't seem like individual gender identity in this sense can actually be defined.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
          Replying to @AsenathWaites

          Yes. I do. I understand what is meant by 'a very masculine man' or 'a feminine woman' or 'an effeminate man' or 'a mannish woman.' But, seriously, it doesn't matter if you don't. I just don't care enough to try to convince you. I'd only hope you'd let other people think so.

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        4. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That's disappointing that you don't want to help me understand that viewpoint but thanks for your time. Maybe at some point someone can explain it to me. Obviously I know what is meant by those terms as well but I don't see how that supports independent sex and gender identity.

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