This is the piece where I apparently agreed with all radfem points. It is strange then that the result of it was dozens of radfems telling me I was part of the trans cult, a misogynist, an MRA. If radfems actually took this stance it would be wonderful.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …
How could they? This would require expecting people who are happy to call someone the gender they feel they are because it makes them feel recognised and doesn't harm them at all, to not do that. I'd oppose this as strongly as forcing ppl to use pronouns they don't believe in.
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Whilst we may well know one day what makes trans people trans, we will probably never agree on what gender is and how men and women should be categorized. Then it comes down to accepting that people have the right to differ on this and leaving them alone.
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I guess I feel that gender as separate from biological sex is ultimately a meaningless concept except in reference to arbitrary societal norms, and that it doesn't make sense to categorize individuals based on such a concept, especially since no one conforms wholly to these norms
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Yes, and I support your right to feel that and say so. Other people don't feel that and will continue to think in terms of gender as separate from sex and continue to be happy to identify as they wish to be identified. This is why I come down ultimately to the freedom issue.
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You mean there should be no set definition of gender and each person should define it in one's own way? I certainly support people behaving as they wish, but it seems important to me for things to be defined in concrete ways to facilitate discussion and scientific investigation.
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It'd be lovely if everyone agreed about this. They don't tho.
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But you see a person's gender as separate from their sex? I would like to understand this concept but when I try to follow the logic of it I just hit a tangle of paradoxes. It doesn't seem like individual gender identity in this sense can actually be defined.
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Yes. I do. I understand what is meant by 'a very masculine man' or 'a feminine woman' or 'an effeminate man' or 'a mannish woman.' But, seriously, it doesn't matter if you don't. I just don't care enough to try to convince you. I'd only hope you'd let other people think so.
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That's disappointing that you don't want to help me understand that viewpoint but thanks for your time. Maybe at some point someone can explain it to me. Obviously I know what is meant by those terms as well but I don't see how that supports independent sex and gender identity.
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