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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5

      Do you really expect me to say 'Oh, some trans activists are awful? Now I see that gender is a cultural construct and women are an oppressed class under patriarchy." I am a liberal. This means I oppose illiberal people. That includes authoritarian trans activists & mad radfems.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5

      And no, I'm not going to credit radfems for my 'realisation' that some trans activists are authoritarian ideologues. I never disagreed with you about this. I disagreed about the mad stuff about trans women being MRAs furthering patriarchal agendas to appropriate womanhood etc.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5

      This is the piece where I apparently agreed with all radfem points. It is strange then that the result of it was dozens of radfems telling me I was part of the trans cult, a misogynist, an MRA. If radfems actually took this stance it would be wonderful.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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    4. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I agree with most of this, but not the scientific evidence for transgender identity. You know that male and female populations have overlapping brain structure distributions. I'm sure you wouldn't argue that all men towards the feminine end of the distribution are actually women.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      Entirely depends on how you define women. If by gonads, no, if by sense of themselves, yes. This is the pointless semantic argument that goes on and on.

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    6. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      My point there is that there are numerous males in these studies with more "feminine" brains who don't identify as trans women. I assume you wouldn't argue that they should be forcibly classified as such. So I don't see how a definition based on brain structures is feasible.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      It is a bit more complicated than that. Several studies showing different things. It is a fact that some people feel the opposite sex to their gonads and science is starting to show why this might be. Nobody should be forcibly classified as anything.

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    8. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yes more complex as we're dealing with the human brain, but unless you subscribe to men and women being universally and fundamentally different psychologically, there is no way one can feel like one sex or the other. Should there not be an objective definition for men and women?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      Yes, but we don't know what it is yet. We will probably end up with a load of different figures, bimodal and scaled to do with gonads, chromosomes, genes, brains and hormones that denote femaleness & maleness and will then understand why some ppl don't feel same sex as gonads.

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    10. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I still don't subscribe to the idea that a person can feel like one sex or the other. There's too much psychological variation within each of the sexes and I don't believe that people have some kind of innate mental gender. Some experience dysphoria, but I think that's different.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jun 5
      Replying to @AsenathWaites

      I'm pretty sure I feel like a woman. If brain transplants were possible and mine were put into a man's body, would I still feel like a woman? I feel like I would but I cannot know this.

      11:29 AM - 5 Jun 2018
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        1. Asenath Waite‏ @AsenathWaites Jun 5
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That's interesting. I'm a man (despite my avatar) and think I would be equally comfortable in a female body. I don't feel in any way inherently masculine. I wonder if others, like you, have a different experience. I personally can't imagine how one would feel like a certain sex.

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