Do you really expect me to say 'Oh, some trans activists are awful? Now I see that gender is a cultural construct and women are an oppressed class under patriarchy." I am a liberal. This means I oppose illiberal people. That includes authoritarian trans activists & mad radfems.
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And no, I'm not going to credit radfems for my 'realisation' that some trans activists are authoritarian ideologues. I never disagreed with you about this. I disagreed about the mad stuff about trans women being MRAs furthering patriarchal agendas to appropriate womanhood etc.
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This is the piece where I apparently agreed with all radfem points. It is strange then that the result of it was dozens of radfems telling me I was part of the trans cult, a misogynist, an MRA. If radfems actually took this stance it would be wonderful.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I agree with most of this, but not the scientific evidence for transgender identity. You know that male and female populations have overlapping brain structure distributions. I'm sure you wouldn't argue that all men towards the feminine end of the distribution are actually women.
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Replying to @AsenathWaites
Entirely depends on how you define women. If by gonads, no, if by sense of themselves, yes. This is the pointless semantic argument that goes on and on.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
My point there is that there are numerous males in these studies with more "feminine" brains who don't identify as trans women. I assume you wouldn't argue that they should be forcibly classified as such. So I don't see how a definition based on brain structures is feasible.
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Replying to @AsenathWaites
It is a bit more complicated than that. Several studies showing different things. It is a fact that some people feel the opposite sex to their gonads and science is starting to show why this might be. Nobody should be forcibly classified as anything.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Yes more complex as we're dealing with the human brain, but unless you subscribe to men and women being universally and fundamentally different psychologically, there is no way one can feel like one sex or the other. Should there not be an objective definition for men and women?
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Replying to @AsenathWaites
Yes, but we don't know what it is yet. We will probably end up with a load of different figures, bimodal and scaled to do with gonads, chromosomes, genes, brains and hormones that denote femaleness & maleness and will then understand why some ppl don't feel same sex as gonads.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Brain science will never be clear cut, so this is basically saying there will be no real definition for men and women but rather a gender spectrum based on distributions along curves. Why not just categorize by sex but support people dressing/behaving how they want anyway?
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But I think that's pessimistic. Science moves incredibly fast. We might soon understand exactly why some people are trans and then it comes down to the ethical & freedom thing - what is the right thing to do (people will differ) and should people be forced to uphold one (no)?
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