Surely you agree that punishment comes in degrees. What's the smallest degree you'd be willing to call punishment? Would "consequences" be a better word? To my thinking "punishment" is just "negative consequences"
I'm not interested in these kind of semantic or conceptual arguments. They just get bogged down in degrees & exceptions & perceptions. "You deserve some kind of official penalty for holding that bad idea' is a problem. 'Now everyone thinks you're an idiot' is not.
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I was trying to establish a common language for this reason -- you just swapped out "punishment" or "consequences" for "official penalty" which is a very distinct class of "punishment". I agree entirely about "official penalties"
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Fortunately the 1st Amendment goes a long towards drawing a bright red line about what sorts of official penalties can happen. I think you're under the impression I'm disagreeing with you far more than I am.
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(But it's impossible to know exactly how much we disagree without understanding what you specifically meant with specific words)
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That's fine too.
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Sorry, I don't mean to be abrupt. I get a lot of answers now & people naturally take things off in the areas that interest them & I feel like I need to address them all when really I need to just not pick up on the ones which are going places I don't want to go.
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I don't want to go back over what is meant by consequences in terms of penalties or sanctions for speech which satisfy a need for punishment & what are natural consequences of responding to speech with speech or with negative evaluation of a person's ethics or judgement.
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Hey, no worries -- I probably should have RTed rather than replied -- my original post was more or less just me thinking out loud. Feel free to ignore me. Never hard feelings
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