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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Grading blindly is an excellent idea for many reasons. No, taking reasonable practical steps to minimise bias is not what I am talking about in my tweet threads. I think the worrying attitudes I am talking about are pretty clear but if you don't understand them, you don't.

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    2. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Fair enough. I’m mostly familiar just with how certain academics talk about implicit bias, but if you tell me there are people on tumblr or whatever who think of it differently, I can’t speak to that—you may be right.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Yes, this was in response to someone claiming all white people are racist. However, you can look to Medina, DiAngelo, Bailey, Applebaum, Wolf, McIntyre, Ahmed, Boler and many many more feminist & critical race epistemologists for the source of such claims.

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    4. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      1. This is separate from the original point regarding implicit bias. 2. This claim may be true or false, but it doesn’t seem in principle more objectionable than, say, Haidt claiming all people have certain moral foundations which often operate unconsciously...

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    5. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen @HPluckrose

      3. I agree there’s a *practical* matter of how to combat racism, but I’d want to give researchers wide berth in *theorizing* it how they see, unconstrained by such practical considerations. So for example...

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    6. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen @HPluckrose

      Maybe it annoys people to claim that implicit bias is pervasive, and maybe pointing this out actually causes more racist behavior. Regardless, I want to know: is it *true*? If it’s true, researchers should be allowed to point it out.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      I wrote a thread which explains what *I* am talking about. I can only ask you to read it and respond only to what I have said. Perhaps you are detecting hidden meaning advocating limiting researchers on their topics of study but I cannot be held responsible for them.

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    8. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I thought you were objecting to the claim “all white people are racist,” but looking back at our thread I see you don’t object to it explicitly. So maybe I misunderstood...

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Yes, I object to that generally. But that isn't what you've been responding to either and I don't see how this ties into what you have been assuming about my wish to limit researchers. This is an incoherent & highly unproductive conversation & I am not wasting any more time on it

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    10. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      To clarify: my claim is that the line you’re pushing would have the *unintended effect* of limiting researchers, where my hope is you would regard this as a reductio and so revise your line because of it. My claim isn’t that you’re intentionally trying to limit researchers.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      No, it won't. We can support rigorous research into implicit bias, moral foundations & even race IQ (which makes me queasy but this is no reason to ban it) AND object to thought policing and accusations of people & demands that they dismantle their whiteness or whatever.

      9:43 AM - 31 May 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
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          This was part of the thread which perhaps makes my focus clearer.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1002171323433586688 …

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          Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
          You can suggest to someone that he may want to put work into dismantling his whiteness but if he chooses to focus his social conscience on raising money for Water Aid & Cancer Research, better recycling services in his area & supporting a lonely, disabled elderly neighbour...
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