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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Yes, but what they say and do is what causes the problems and what can be addressed. Leave people's thoughts alone.

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    2. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But you need to understand the causes to know what sorts of causal interventions will produce changes in the behavior. That seems like a plausible assumption across many domains. Example: you won’t reduce the toxins in the drinking water unless you know what causes it.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

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      Please see the original thread and this one where I have said all I want to say about this. https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/998130191561101312 … Obviously, you must be able to investigate this with volunteers & it could be productive. I'll object to attempts to intrude & thought-police in wider life.

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      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      Yep. There are two competing beliefs about what will end racism. 1) Focusing intensely on race to become alert to how racism operates on many implicit levels. 2) Treating race as irrelevant to normalise evaluating people individually & make casual racism socially unacceptable. https://twitter.com/IonaItalia/status/998068548156166144 …
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    4. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      The issue is orthogonal to the identity politics/classic liberal distinction. For example, I can be a classic liberal who thinks implicit bias exists and causally influences behavior and therefore I ought to grade blindly to limit my biases. None of that goes against liberalism.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Absolutely you can. This is definitely liberal. It does not require any thought policing of anyone else. Please see the rest of the original thread where I said this.

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    6. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Suppose I then pass along this idea to colleagues. “Hey, I think it might make sense for you to grade blindly too, since we all have biases.” Has that crossed the line into thought policing? If not, isn’t that pretty similar to what a lot of the focus on implicit bias amounts to?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Grading blindly is an excellent idea for many reasons. No, taking reasonable practical steps to minimise bias is not what I am talking about in my tweet threads. I think the worrying attitudes I am talking about are pretty clear but if you don't understand them, you don't.

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    8. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Fair enough. I’m mostly familiar just with how certain academics talk about implicit bias, but if you tell me there are people on tumblr or whatever who think of it differently, I can’t speak to that—you may be right.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      Yes, this was in response to someone claiming all white people are racist. However, you can look to Medina, DiAngelo, Bailey, Applebaum, Wolf, McIntyre, Ahmed, Boler and many many more feminist & critical race epistemologists for the source of such claims.

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    10. Justin Tiehen‏ @jttiehen May 31
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      1. This is separate from the original point regarding implicit bias. 2. This claim may be true or false, but it doesn’t seem in principle more objectionable than, say, Haidt claiming all people have certain moral foundations which often operate unconsciously...

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
      Replying to @jttiehen

      1) Its the context of the original claim about implicit bias. 2) Don't know what this means. I'm advocating leaving people's biases alone & not insisting you have the right to access them. This is consistent whether you go with implicit biases or moral foundation theory.

      9:08 AM - 31 May 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 31
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jttiehen

          I really don't know where Haidt comes in. He's not insisting everyone must access their moral foundations & change to the right one. You are consistently responding to things I am not saying. I tweet as clearly as I can and I'm sorry if you're still finding them hard to follow.

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