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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager May 28

      If anyone is still following or reading @AreoMagazine and specifically @hpluckrose you might want to know that she just blocked me for politely suggesting she read a statistics paper.

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    2. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium May 28
      Replying to @economeager @AreoMagazine @HPluckrose

      Huh. Why would you block Rachael for this, @HPluckrose? I think it'd be great to see you guys talk about stuff together so this is disappointing :(

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
      Replying to @salonium @economeager @AreoMagazine

      I've blocked a load of people for not leaving me alone. I can't remember which one is Rachel and if she wasn't rude or obnoxious to me, sorry about that but it needs to stop now. I don't care about statistics & I am not talking about them any more. I'll address ideology.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose @salonium and

      I've unblocked. I tried muting but they kept talking in my notifications and then more came until I just started blocking anyone who talked to me about statistics so I could see my notifications. I've made my account private so I shouldn't get any new ones now.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium May 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose @economeager @AreoMagazine

      Ah I see. There's also another easy way to prioritise notifs if you're getting too many - I use the mute notifs function from ppl I don't follow/who don't follow me when I get too many

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
      Replying to @salonium @economeager @AreoMagazine

      Oh yes, I can try that. Honestly, I was mildly interested in what they were saying about causal chains but when it turned out they meant I couldn't say women's choices have an impact on the wage gap, I had to say in that case statistics are of no use here. Cos that does matter.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
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      Then other statisticians came in and started telling them they were using an unfalsifiable hypothesis & being intentionally obscurantist & dishonest & also something about a false model. Well, this: https://twitter.com/prshearer/status/1001082821270622208 …

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @salonium and

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          And this. I've no idea what any of it means but it seems I have stumbled into an argument which makes statisticians very angry & I'm on the side of the ones who aren't rude to me, speak plainly & accept I can talk abt gender issues sans statistical models. https://twitter.com/prshearer/status/1001152411417874433 …

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        3. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @economeager @AreoMagazine

          I think it's not necessary to be knowledgeable in statistics to understand their point about this. It's basically, if we're saying the earnings gap between men and women is 0 when we look at men and women in the same jobs, hours, etc, that doesn't mean there's no discrimination

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
          Replying to @salonium @economeager @AreoMagazine

          Yes, pointed out early on that statistics were no good for discovering the causes of the imbalance and I said OK and had thread about that so but still needing to talk abt choices so doing it without statistics (tho the likelihood of my doing it with statistics was never high)

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        5. Rachael Meager‏ @economeager May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @salonium @AreoMagazine

          Nobody said stats are "no good"! We said they are complicated and the simple approach you are championing is not appropriate. You then refused to engage further. This is not a pro-science stance and as the magazine champions science I thought it relevant.

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        2. Galway Curiousblue‏ @iamcuriousblue May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @salonium and

          Statistics are only as good as the hypotheses and models that generate them. A high p-value doesn't make up for a badly designed experiment. I can't imagine why that's remotely controversial. >

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        3. Galway Curiousblue‏ @iamcuriousblue May 28
          Replying to @iamcuriousblue @HPluckrose and

          I believe the original point of argument in this discussion was that many of those pushing the claim of discrimination as the sole reason for the pay gap are systemically failing to test any alternate hypothesis. That critique stands, as far as I can see.

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