Do explain? Why aren't the choices people make significant to the income they earn?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @gztstatistics and
Helen, you and Peterson are making a mathematical error here. See page 74 of
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Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose and
What you are doing is called "controlling for a collider". Doing it means your regression has no causal implications. You are *assuming* no discrimination, not proving it.
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Replying to @besttrousers @gztstatistics and
I'm not assuming anything. Just saying that the fact that men and women earn different amounts of money doesn't tell us anything about the cause if the only variable considered is gender and we don't account for different jobs chosen and different hours worked.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @gztstatistics and
You are assuming it by the nature of the regression you are suggesting. That you are unaware of it doesn't make it untrue.
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Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose and
No. The people you are arguing against already know the simple notion that the choices women make could be affected by discriminatory behaviour/systems. Which is why they spend a large amount of time showing evidence that this effect is weak, and other causes are more likely.
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Replying to @amiguello1 @besttrousers and
Yep. If stats won't show that it matters whether women earn less because they work less or choose lesser paid work or because they are discriminated against, they are no good for this kind of problem. Because that is the difference that, in reality, actually matters.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @besttrousers and
I think the problem is that they believe you, Peterson, etc. are using the occupational control studies to say discrimination does not play a part in the wage gap, when in reality you are just using to argue against the common "paid less for the same job" claim.
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Replying to @amiguello1 @besttrousers and
Yep. Women's choices also matter. He'd have us believe that because choices could be constrained by culture, there is no point in knowing whether women earn less because they're doing different jobs or fewer hours or because they're paid less for the same work. Obviously wrong.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @amiguello1 and
Helen, please do not inaccurately represent the arguments I am making. I think it is important to understand why people make these choices.
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But choices cannot be a factor in looking at it statistically so every time anyone tries to talk about choices, you wave your little sheet to say why we can't. Well, we can. Just not with you.
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