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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 27
      Replying to @gztstatistics @kareem_sabri and

      Do explain? Why aren't the choices people make significant to the income they earn?

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    2. Matt Darling  🌐‏ @besttrousers May 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose @gztstatistics and

      Helen, you and Peterson are making a mathematical error here. See page 74 of @causalinf's textbook: http://scunning.com/cunningham_mixtape.pdf …

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Matt Darling  🌐‏ @besttrousers May 28
      Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose and

      What you are doing is called "controlling for a collider". Doing it means your regression has no causal implications. You are *assuming* no discrimination, not proving it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
      Replying to @besttrousers @gztstatistics and

      I'm not assuming anything. Just saying that the fact that men and women earn different amounts of money doesn't tell us anything about the cause if the only variable considered is gender and we don't account for different jobs chosen and different hours worked.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Matt Darling  🌐‏ @besttrousers May 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose @gztstatistics and

      You are assuming it by the nature of the regression you are suggesting. That you are unaware of it doesn't make it untrue.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. AML‏ @amiguello1 May 28
      Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose and

      No. The people you are arguing against already know the simple notion that the choices women make could be affected by discriminatory behaviour/systems. Which is why they spend a large amount of time showing evidence that this effect is weak, and other causes are more likely.

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    7. Matt Darling  🌐‏ @besttrousers May 28
      Replying to @amiguello1 @HPluckrose and

      I'm sure they understand that. What they don't understand is that the form of the regression they are advocating for doesn't allow for such choices.

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    8. AML‏ @amiguello1 May 28
      Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose and

      lol no they obviously do, it's a very simple point. They are already in the next step of the discussion. This regression is just to show that the typical point of "being paid less for the same job" is incorrect.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Matt Darling  🌐‏ @besttrousers May 28
      Replying to @amiguello1 @HPluckrose and

      Nope. Such a regression is invalid. Read mostly Harmless Econometrics:pic.twitter.com/RnalEouATe

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    10. AML‏ @amiguello1 May 28
      Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose and

      You absolutely need to control for occupation if what you are trying to prove is the idea that women are being paid less for doing the same thing in the same job. It's a way to eliminate a possible cause of the gap. Then you can move to the next step of the conversation.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
      Replying to @amiguello1 @besttrousers and

      He doesn't want a conversation. He's best just muted so the rest of us can talk about the reality of the imbalance.

      7:44 AM - 28 May 2018
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        2. AML‏ @amiguello1 May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @besttrousers and

          I like pointless twitter arguments so I'll drop you from that convo :) So maybe you can answer this: I've seen a lot of people like Berlatski say that harassment/misogynistic attitudes drive occupational choice, but I'm skeptical. Do you know of any research on that?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
          Replying to @amiguello1 @besttrousers and

          No, they get some women saying so and then this is countered by other women saying not. Most women don't say anything and just carry on.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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