If you claim that the only relevant variables in gender earnings statistics is gender and nothing that comes in later than gender is relevant (and so choices are not) you'll have to accept that you cannot use those statistics to claim that the cause is discrimination.
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The things that come after gender *are* relevant. But they aren't necessarily independent. The choices you make depend on your experience. So if your experience is shaped by discrimination, your "choices" will be, too.
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But I fully agree with you. The existence of a gender wage gap is insufficient evidence of discrimination just like the non-existence of a gender wage gap is insufficient evidence of no discrimination.
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Erin, you'd disagree with this claim, right? https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1000916831987814400?s=19 …
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There's a lot in there. With which specific claims do you disagree? I'm trying to better educate myself on this topic. I thought it was true, at least, that when the variables Helen mentions are controlled for the gap markedly shrinks.
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That is true, but it can't be used to claim an absence of discrimination. Women will make choices about which careers to pursue on the basis of expected income so you'd expect them to be less likely to pursue careers where discrimination is an issue.
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But it can be used to point out that at least one form of discrimination is not operating to a substantial degree: that men and women are being paid differently for the same work, which is a claim repeatedly made by those whose narratives are served by it.
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No. If women are being paid less for the same work, a regression that controls for occupation will understate that effect.
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Right... but if you don't control for occupation, any earnings gap remaining might be best explained by differences in how lucrative different occupations are. Surely not accounting for this would make it impossible to work out whether wage discrimination is occuring?
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Yes, this seems to be what they are saying. Statistics are fairly useless for discovering causes of the imbalance. Therefore it doesn't seem that there is much point mentioning the wage gap in relation to arguments that there is any kind of a problem.
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