Erin, you'd disagree with this claim, right? https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1000916831987814400?s=19 …
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There's a lot in there. With which specific claims do you disagree? I'm trying to better educate myself on this topic. I thought it was true, at least, that when the variables Helen mentions are controlled for the gap markedly shrinks.
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That is true, but it can't be used to claim an absence of discrimination. Women will make choices about which careers to pursue on the basis of expected income so you'd expect them to be less likely to pursue careers where discrimination is an issue.
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Or - if discrimination is common - they may be less likely to pursue any human capital.
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Including statistical controls for occupation is effectively assuming that women do not have agency in the choices that they make; that they do not choose different careers in response to discrimination.
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Surely that depends on the question you're trying to answer? If you're interested in whether an earnings gap is driven by wage discrimination or something else, controlling for occupation is essential.
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He's trying to say that women with agency would choose not to work somewhere where discrimination is claimed to exist. But we have to balance this claim against the reality that women have made great headway into professions which focus on people rather than things.
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The vicious circle comes into play here. Women don't enter engineering and tech in as great numbers as they enter medicine and education. Discrimination is posited to be the cause. Then it claimed that women don't enter those areas because they hear it discriminates against them
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Of course, women can use their agency to enter professions where discrimination is said to be rife or not to enter them. Given that nearly all prestigious occupations were male dominated at one time, it seems likely that they did the former but for people-orientated jobs.
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While discrimination could certainly still be a factor in the areas in which they are not well represented, the fact that it has divided this way does tend to suggest that women are using their own agency to pursue their own interests which have been measured & replicated well.
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