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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28

      Sometimes, I really wish I could resort to feminist tactics and accuse men condescending to me of mansplaining and talking over my lived experience.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28

      I am more than happy for people to explain statistics to me but if they explain that they can't answer my question about whether choices made have anything to do with the wage gap, they can't then claim statistics to be of any further use in answering that question.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28

      If you claim that the only relevant variables in gender earnings statistics is gender and nothing that comes in later than gender is relevant (and so choices are not) you'll have to accept that you cannot use those statistics to claim that the cause is discrimination.

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    4. Erin Hengel‏ @erinhengel May 28
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      The things that come after gender *are* relevant. But they aren't necessarily independent. The choices you make depend on your experience. So if your experience is shaped by discrimination, your "choices" will be, too.

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    5. Erin Hengel‏ @erinhengel May 28
      Replying to @erinhengel @HPluckrose

      But I fully agree with you. The existence of a gender wage gap is insufficient evidence of discrimination just like the non-existence of a gender wage gap is insufficient evidence of no discrimination.

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    6. Matt Darling  🌐‏ @besttrousers May 28
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      Erin, you'd disagree with this claim, right? https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1000916831987814400?s=19 …

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    7. Erin Hengel‏ @erinhengel May 28
      Replying to @besttrousers @HPluckrose

      Yes, totally.

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    8. Joshua Lord‏ @joshualord2700 May 28
      Replying to @erinhengel @besttrousers @HPluckrose

      There's a lot in there. With which specific claims do you disagree? I'm trying to better educate myself on this topic. I thought it was true, at least, that when the variables Helen mentions are controlled for the gap markedly shrinks.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
      Replying to @joshualord2700 @erinhengel

      Apparently, that can't be counted because choices could depend on gender and discrimination can't be counted because that could depend on gender too. But there is much evidence that differences in interests exist and inform job choices.

      3:55 AM - 28 May 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose May 28
          Replying to @HPluckrose @joshualord2700 @erinhengel

          For most people's purposes, choices made do matter even if those choices could be influenced by cultural norms. Eg, we might be concerned about men's greater prison sentences which still exist when variables about types of crime & previous convictions taken into account

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